Russell Quirk: Dad had a new car every few months... His Porsche 911 didn't last a week! E-Type, Aston Martin, Escort RS2000, Rolls Royce S3E10

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[00:00:12] Welcome to my Dads Car, a podcast discussing our personal relationship with automotive

[00:00:17] nostalgia.

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[00:00:33] Hello, you alright?

[00:00:36] You hear me?

[00:00:37] I can hear you.

[00:00:38] Hmm.

[00:00:39] What's when I hear you?

[00:00:41] I'll leave and come back once to.

[00:00:43] Hello.

[00:00:44] Oh look at that.

[00:00:45] Oh that's it, I can hear you now.

[00:00:47] That will make it a lot easier.

[00:00:49] Yeah.

[00:00:50] Ah, here we go.

[00:00:51] I can rather steal.

[00:00:52] Let me sort myself out.

[00:00:55] There you go.

[00:00:56] How are you?

[00:00:57] Yeah, we're good.

[00:00:58] Thank you Russell.

[00:00:59] Hello Russell.

[00:01:00] How are you doing?

[00:01:01] Yeah, alright, thank you.

[00:01:02] I'd like to kind of wrinkle back into the weekend a little bit but yeah, today has been

[00:01:04] manic anyway.

[00:01:05] Hopefully this will be relaxing.

[00:01:06] Will it or not?

[00:01:07] Yeah, of course.

[00:01:08] That's the idea.

[00:01:09] It's been a bit of a fun.

[00:01:10] We'll see.

[00:01:11] So, for the benefit of the tape, we've met through porches, haven't we, I think, Russell?

[00:01:15] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:01:16] Through the myriad of kind of car and Porsche WhatsApp groups that I've seen to be on.

[00:01:21] Oh no, they were all great.

[00:01:22] I mean, keeping up with them is a bit of a challenge frankly but yeah, you know, the great

[00:01:26] in terms of getting a collective of rights and like minded people together that just kind

[00:01:30] of want to bore each other silly talking about cars really, which is what's wrong with

[00:01:35] that indeed.

[00:01:36] Indeed.

[00:01:37] So well, yeah, let's jump into it.

[00:01:39] What's your earliest motoring memory?

[00:01:42] Alright, so we're going back a bit.

[00:01:44] I'm 56 years old, so I was born in 1967.

[00:01:46] So we're going to go back to the 70s here, I'm afraid.

[00:01:49] Cool.

[00:01:50] Yeah, so it's really a great memory and maybe just because it was so kind of inspiring,

[00:01:54] which we'll sure come onto.

[00:01:56] This sounds very grandiose but I'll just tell you how it is with my dad coming home

[00:02:00] with a bright red Jaguar e-type coupé.

[00:02:03] Oh?

[00:02:04] Now, I would have been about four or five years old, I reckon.

[00:02:08] So I was old enough to kind of know what cars are and obviously to play with a few at

[00:02:13] SA.

[00:02:14] But remember, the dad coming home with this this e-type coupé which, you know, with

[00:02:18] I think it was a six-cinender, so whatever it was,

[00:02:22] can't remember, Series 1 or Series 2.

[00:02:24] It's obviously sounding fantastic.

[00:02:25] And it was at the time of one of my all-time favorite movies,

[00:02:29] actually, The Italian Job coming out.

[00:02:31] So obviously we're back in the day here where it was either

[00:02:34] cinema or you waited four years for the thing to come out on TV.

[00:02:37] No Netflix, no prime video.

[00:02:40] And so The Italian Job had kind of been out probably

[00:02:43] for a year or two and was, you know,

[00:02:46] it's Liz, an iconic movie, including a couple of scenes

[00:02:49] with e-tites.

[00:02:50] So I think that was what inspired my dad to buy the car.

[00:02:53] Yeah, yeah.

[00:02:54] And I just remember as a kid,

[00:02:55] it pulling up on the drive and literally just thinking

[00:02:58] what the hell is this?

[00:03:00] Yeah.

[00:03:01] It's a kind of, particularly when you're fine

[00:03:03] and you're only a color, whatever you are three foot tall.

[00:03:06] Yeah, just a really amazing,

[00:03:08] dog smacking, wonderfully looking and sounding

[00:03:12] in your face car that I think probably was the catalyst

[00:03:17] that set me off for my love of cars all these years later.

[00:03:20] Do you remember how long he had it, Russell?

[00:03:22] Was it a good one for him?

[00:03:24] Well, so most of us would buy a car like that

[00:03:26] and never sell it.

[00:03:27] My dad, I mean, throughout his entire life,

[00:03:30] he died five, six years ago, unfortunately,

[00:03:32] but his whole life was a car nut.

[00:03:35] And he was part of the family estate agency

[00:03:38] business so they variously had a few quitless,

[00:03:40] both novel ways, but you know, when the market was good,

[00:03:43] he but his brothers used to go out and buy cars.

[00:03:44] My dad, I can't remember him having a car,

[00:03:48] no matter how lovely it was

[00:03:50] and we get into the list, I'm sure,

[00:03:51] for more than six months.

[00:03:52] So the honest answer, no, I don't think he did.

[00:03:57] You know, back then it was pretty normal,

[00:03:59] I think, to have a car for three, four, five years.

[00:04:02] He would change cars like his pants, frankly.

[00:04:06] And maybe because I was a kid

[00:04:07] and obviously he didn't owe me any debt

[00:04:09] of asking for permission or anything,

[00:04:12] he would literally just turn up at home with a different car.

[00:04:15] You know, and it was frequent,

[00:04:16] I mean, literally frequent every few months

[00:04:18] but certainly if he bought something

[00:04:19] that I guess he didn't like very much,

[00:04:22] you know, they were almost,

[00:04:23] they were just chopped in regular.

[00:04:24] He was probably a local Essex car dealer's dream,

[00:04:28] I would think.

[00:04:29] So just brought up onto the four car.

[00:04:30] I remember that each time we sold three months ago,

[00:04:32] oh look, he's back.

[00:04:33] What's he got his eye on now?

[00:04:35] He's very comes again.

[00:04:36] Yeah, but he definitely didn't have it for very long.

[00:04:39] Like he didn't any of his cars,

[00:04:40] which is why his list of ownership is quite long.

[00:04:43] Was he buying them new or kind of used vehicles

[00:04:46] do you think at the time?

[00:04:47] No, I don't remember him buying much

[00:04:49] in the way of new cars.

[00:04:50] Probably he was later in life after property

[00:04:54] with Big Long story around the estate agency business

[00:04:57] but he got into car dealership.

[00:04:59] Okay, so he was known in Essex back in the 80s

[00:05:01] and 90s as Mazda Man.

[00:05:03] Okay.

[00:05:04] Because he had a Mazda dealership.

[00:05:05] So he had lots of new cars then,

[00:05:07] because of course the dealership.

[00:05:09] So he would be in and out of whatever they were

[00:05:11] at the time, Mazda RX-7s

[00:05:13] and remember the Mazda 323 GT

[00:05:15] which probably no one's ever heard of

[00:05:17] but was actually an amazing car at the time.

[00:05:19] They did some kind of four wheel drive rally thing

[00:05:21] that he had.

[00:05:22] That's right, turbo one.

[00:05:23] Yeah, yeah, three EGI I think it was called or something.

[00:05:26] It's that little hatchback.

[00:05:27] Yeah, yeah.

[00:05:29] And it was probably only 10 of them

[00:05:30] ever delivered in Britain I would think

[00:05:32] but that actually sponsored a guy to drive one

[00:05:35] in group N rally.

[00:05:36] Okay, and I again, older than five

[00:05:40] but you know, rolling for a few years

[00:05:42] I remember Dan going to see this guy

[00:05:44] at the local quarry pit that that guy's family owned

[00:05:48] and the car was just sitting outside this portacabin

[00:05:51] and so the lad that was driving it

[00:05:54] asked me if I wanted to go out on it

[00:05:55] I mean you can imagine how many nanoseconds

[00:05:57] he took me to answer.

[00:05:59] We used to around this three two three EGI

[00:06:02] whatever it was called.

[00:06:03] This kind of dedicated, you know,

[00:06:06] or properly kitted out rally car around this quarry

[00:06:09] for 15, 20 minutes.

[00:06:11] It was as it happens I'd forgotten about that

[00:06:13] but another car highlight

[00:06:15] at an early point in my life actually.

[00:06:17] Fantastic.

[00:06:18] Did you get involved with us

[00:06:19] or with any of dad's purchases

[00:06:22] as you got older perhaps?

[00:06:23] When I was older, yeah, I did.

[00:06:26] When he had dealerships,

[00:06:27] he had this each that you wanted to scratch

[00:06:30] which was to buy a Porsche 928

[00:06:33] and up the road from us,

[00:06:35] his Lancaster Colchester

[00:06:36] which then announced his Porsche

[00:06:39] and also Ferrari dealership.

[00:06:41] And again being very spontaneous

[00:06:44] at my old man was literally over a conversation

[00:06:50] that last did no more than an hour or two one day

[00:06:53] we were kind of in his car

[00:06:55] on the way up to Lancaster Colchester

[00:06:56] to look at these guards red 928 S4.

[00:06:58] Nice.

[00:06:59] And he committed to it

[00:07:01] but then I ended up being the one

[00:07:04] that got the thing delivered

[00:07:06] and actually,

[00:07:07] I must have only been 2021

[00:07:09] but luckily for traders policies

[00:07:11] I remember driving the thing.

[00:07:13] I mean talk about the wrong car in the wrong hands

[00:07:16] 20 years old and a 928 S4 driving

[00:07:20] like you'd expect a 20 year old

[00:07:22] and a 928 S4 to drive through the screens

[00:07:23] of Bitterrickian S6 one day.

[00:07:26] So yes, I did a little bit

[00:07:27] but most of his purchases were

[00:07:31] most of his kind of what I'd say he's

[00:07:33] grander days of buying really cool cars

[00:07:37] were probably when I was five, 10, 12 years old.

[00:07:42] So yeah, definitely not to be trusted

[00:07:45] with key to see if you can do a deal

[00:07:46] on that Aston V8 Vantage for me son.

[00:07:48] Yeah.

[00:07:49] Well his purchases kind of

[00:07:51] with your mother's blessing do you think

[00:07:52] or was he just sort of he'd go and do it

[00:07:54] and did she have a sensible car

[00:07:56] or was that the family car?

[00:07:57] Well, I know she had a car

[00:07:59] that I remember having for years

[00:08:00] which was a blue Capri 1600 Gtee

[00:08:04] it's a Mark II Capri 1600 GT

[00:08:07] GJN 653 in

[00:08:11] can you believe us to remember the number plate?

[00:08:12] Yes.

[00:08:14] Yes, I know that was pretty cool car

[00:08:16] I think there's probably worth 10 grand now

[00:08:17] if you can find one.

[00:08:18] Yeah, yeah.

[00:08:19] Well, my mum and dad's relationship

[00:08:21] was not a great one which is why they spit up

[00:08:23] and I was about seven

[00:08:24] and I think my mum was pretty compliant, should we say.

[00:08:28] When my dad then left for his secretary

[00:08:30] and she became my stepmother

[00:08:32] that's a whole different podcast guys

[00:08:33] that's a whole different podcast.

[00:08:35] My dad's mistress.

[00:08:38] Yeah, yeah.

[00:08:39] There's only many therapists

[00:08:40] of trying to kind of

[00:08:42] sort my head out in that respect

[00:08:44] but let's just say that she would have been

[00:08:46] far less tolerant

[00:08:49] unless she got something in lieu of one of his purchases

[00:08:52] which not it would be a handbag

[00:08:54] or a 500 pound pair of shoes

[00:08:56] or a Rolex or something

[00:08:57] but anyway, as I say, it's another story.

[00:08:58] Yeah.

[00:08:59] So my old band was a very,

[00:09:01] he's an entrepreneur,

[00:09:02] owned businesses and as I say,

[00:09:04] he wasn't a millionaire

[00:09:06] but we did okay our members are kid

[00:09:09] we lived in a decent place and a decent road

[00:09:12] and actually going back to the family

[00:09:15] we actually had

[00:09:16] and this again sounds very grand,

[00:09:18] I don't mean it too

[00:09:19] but my grandfather built a house in the 1950s

[00:09:22] and a place called Norsie Road in Bernoricchi

[00:09:24] which is a pretty nice road

[00:09:26] with a load of land around it

[00:09:27] and he gave the left hand side

[00:09:29] of that land to my dad to build a house

[00:09:31] and the right hand side to his other son

[00:09:33] or one of his other two sons

[00:09:35] to build a house the other side

[00:09:36] so we ended up as kids growing up

[00:09:39] in a kind of down shop

[00:09:41] Dallas South Walk type way

[00:09:43] where we had three houses

[00:09:45] but with one driveway

[00:09:47] connecting the three houses.

[00:09:49] So as kids, if we go that further than cars by the way

[00:09:52] as kids on kind of on bikes and trikes

[00:09:56] and you know, not skateboard

[00:09:57] but then it's probably too early

[00:09:58] but certainly go-carts

[00:10:00] we had this wonderful toning

[00:10:02] kind of weaving in and out

[00:10:03] of actually our parents

[00:10:05] and grandparents and uncles expensive cars

[00:10:08] on this kind of two, three hundred

[00:10:10] big a long driveway

[00:10:11] so yeah that was pretty cool

[00:10:13] when I think about it looking back

[00:10:15] and actually the pretty much the whole family

[00:10:18] were really into cars

[00:10:19] and my grandfather was into rovers

[00:10:21] remember they all rovers T.C. 2000

[00:10:23] okay my uncle Roger had

[00:10:25] he's a pretty pompous individual frankly

[00:10:27] so he was always have a rose rice

[00:10:28] or a Bentley of some sort

[00:10:31] and yeah so that and they had

[00:10:34] as we'll go on to

[00:10:35] where my dad's concerned

[00:10:36] who is the baby of the three brothers

[00:10:38] I mean an absolute

[00:10:40] plethora of really interesting

[00:10:43] 70s and 80s cars

[00:10:45] if only he'd kept them

[00:10:47] where did he go after the airtight

[00:10:48] brussel what was the next move

[00:10:51] so what was next

[00:10:53] I mean you know you're going to run

[00:10:54] through the list I'm just trying

[00:10:55] to think of some of the order

[00:10:56] so I tell you his first car

[00:10:57] but that's first car is a mark one

[00:10:59] called T.C. which was brand new apparently

[00:11:01] so that was a brand new car

[00:11:03] at a time when my grandfather

[00:11:05] with these kind of 12 estate agency

[00:11:06] offices was doing very well

[00:11:09] probably very busy so kind of gave his

[00:11:11] youngest son a car in lieu of love

[00:11:13] frankly I would imagine about then

[00:11:15] and within weeks my dad rolled it

[00:11:17] oh no

[00:11:18] rolled it with ditch

[00:11:19] and actually the funny thing is

[00:11:20] I looked this up

[00:11:21] years and years and years ago

[00:11:23] the Ford Marwan Cortina GT

[00:11:25] sounds very grand doesn't it

[00:11:26] it had the Sunshole of 83 brake horsepower

[00:11:29] so quite how he rolled it

[00:11:31] with 83 brake horsepower

[00:11:32] I don't know but he did

[00:11:34] so wouldn't he have after the airtight

[00:11:35] I mean honestly Johnny had so many cars

[00:11:39] I mean if the question is what was the next

[00:11:42] most standout car

[00:11:44] yeah maybe we go for memorable then

[00:11:46] if it's easier yeah

[00:11:47] yeah come on

[00:11:48] yeah absolutely

[00:11:48] this is a car

[00:11:50] is now on my bucket list

[00:11:52] if ever I could afford one

[00:11:53] okay so it was a late 70s

[00:11:56] Aston V8 vantage

[00:11:59] you know what we would call

[00:12:00] when I called as a kid

[00:12:01] the bonnet car

[00:12:02] because we love the e-type actually

[00:12:04] you know long bonnet

[00:12:05] V8 engine

[00:12:06] BBS wheels

[00:12:07] an interior which was like

[00:12:09] something out of you know

[00:12:11] out of Savile Row

[00:12:12] I mean you know

[00:12:13] beautiful beautiful soft leather

[00:12:15] walnut manual gearbox

[00:12:18] I don't know how powerful

[00:12:19] those cars are I can't remember

[00:12:20] but they're a good kind of

[00:12:21] 300 brake horsepower

[00:12:22] which certainly back in the day

[00:12:25] and he actually had that

[00:12:26] he might even have had that for a year

[00:12:27] actually

[00:12:28] and that was in terms of looks

[00:12:31] and sound

[00:12:32] I mean again as I remember as a kid

[00:12:35] that I think probably

[00:12:36] equaled the e-type

[00:12:38] in terms of Qdos

[00:12:39] but here's a funny thing

[00:12:41] just indulge me if you don't mind for a second

[00:12:43] at the same time as having that car

[00:12:44] he bought a number plate

[00:12:46] and that number plate

[00:12:47] was go 92

[00:12:49] that was the plate

[00:12:50] geo 92

[00:12:52] and as was a habit at my old man

[00:12:53] as I recounted just now

[00:12:55] one day he comes home without the car

[00:12:57] he was in something else

[00:12:59] I think he was in a 635 CSI BMW

[00:13:01] or in Merck S-Ale or whatever else it was

[00:13:04] the car's gone right so he's got work in the morning

[00:13:06] in the astern

[00:13:07] and come back in a completed car

[00:13:09] that wasn't unusual

[00:13:11] but I remember because these things

[00:13:13] as you were saying earlier are kind of embedded

[00:13:15] in your head

[00:13:16] this wonderful astern V8 volunteers

[00:13:18] that we'll give out right on for now

[00:13:21] with this really cool number plate

[00:13:22] which everybody around Benerick

[00:13:23] knew that's how it went go 92

[00:13:26] I said to him there's a 12 or 13 year old

[00:13:28] I think it was at the time

[00:13:29] what happens to the number plate

[00:13:31] and Benerick I think this is before

[00:13:33] the days of retention certificates I think

[00:13:35] we had to transfer the plate onto another car

[00:13:38] and I remember him saying this

[00:13:40] and the reason I remember it was because I was horrified

[00:13:42] he said no I let him go with the car

[00:13:43] oh no yeah

[00:13:45] I was very very upset

[00:13:48] there's a kind of routine

[00:13:50] that this beautiful car had gone

[00:13:51] but to add in soul to injury

[00:13:53] this really cool number plate

[00:13:55] that everyone recognised

[00:13:57] they'd gone really to super care

[00:13:58] at all

[00:13:59] anyway roll forward quite a number of years

[00:14:01] so that was one over that was

[00:14:03] let's say that was kind of early 80s

[00:14:05] I found the number plate

[00:14:08] I found the number plate at carreg.co.uk

[00:14:11] one minute on browsing piston heads

[00:14:13] we'll also trade in the next minute

[00:14:14] I'm on red transfer as a carreg

[00:14:15] you know you're kind of thinking about

[00:14:17] well you know if I had a good year

[00:14:19] what would I do what would I buy

[00:14:21] or would I buy X Y

[00:14:23] whatever number plate or car

[00:14:25] literally staring me in the face

[00:14:27] on the screen from carreg.co.uk

[00:14:30] is go 92

[00:14:32] I thought oh my god

[00:14:34] I cannot believe

[00:14:35] that my dad's old number plate

[00:14:37] has come up for sale

[00:14:39] so I inquired

[00:14:41] and committed to buying it

[00:14:43] because I kind of had to really

[00:14:46] and then

[00:14:47] they're in lies a very long story

[00:14:49] about how I nearly didn't get it

[00:14:50] on the basis of the guy that owned it

[00:14:53] where it was supposed to be on a certificate

[00:14:54] turns out it was on an old battered car

[00:14:56] with no MOT, no insurance, no tax

[00:14:59] which obviously provides a problem

[00:15:00] in terms of getting the car in a decent

[00:15:02] state to get the plate off

[00:15:04] anyway very long story short

[00:15:06] many many weeks later

[00:15:07] I managed to secure the plate

[00:15:09] so I bought it

[00:15:10] and that now sits on one of my cars

[00:15:12] and I am immensely proud

[00:15:15] to have my dad's number plate

[00:15:17] from the late 70s early 80s

[00:15:19] on one of my cars

[00:15:20] and shame on how

[00:15:22] to shame on my old man for studying

[00:15:23] the thing in the first place

[00:15:25] came back in the end

[00:15:27] yeah got it back

[00:15:29] and now my kids have got eyes on it of course

[00:15:31] so um yeah that plate

[00:15:33] that plate is never leaving the family

[00:15:35] my brother funny enough my half brother

[00:15:37] who's a car dealer strangely

[00:15:39] um I heard the other day

[00:15:40] he's very mid

[00:15:41] I found that plate because he remembers it as well

[00:15:44] and um yeah what he would have done

[00:15:45] so get his hands on it now

[00:15:47] um so yes it's sitting on a car

[00:15:49] on the garage as we speak

[00:15:50] nice

[00:15:51] I don't know whether you know and

[00:15:52] you don't have to say

[00:15:54] did you pay more for the plate

[00:15:55] than he sold the astan for

[00:15:57] great question

[00:15:58] uh I paid 13 grams of the plate

[00:15:59] um I don't know what he would have sold it

[00:16:02] so I mean I'd love to know

[00:16:04] what he might have sold

[00:16:05] so that it would have been about

[00:16:06] 80 80 182 1981 to 2

[00:16:09] the sold that

[00:16:10] so potentially

[00:16:11] potentially so

[00:16:12] I mean that car now's probably

[00:16:13] 300 grand car

[00:16:14] um

[00:16:15] back in the day

[00:16:16] which I don't know what was it

[00:16:17] 5 6 7 8 grand I don't know

[00:16:18] no idea

[00:16:19] no idea

[00:16:20] because it wasn't new of course

[00:16:21] so I don't know what a V8

[00:16:22] advantage was new

[00:16:24] no but this is in the days

[00:16:26] I mean we've just gone through

[00:16:27] crikey oil crisis

[00:16:29] um

[00:16:30] for timing it was four clums

[00:16:31] you know 80 182 so

[00:16:33] is this the um

[00:16:34] if we're talking James Bond

[00:16:36] is this one of the skis

[00:16:37] yeah

[00:16:37] Timothy Dalton

[00:16:39] yeah

[00:16:39] let's get with the dawn car

[00:16:40] exactly

[00:16:41] yeah I thought so

[00:16:42] yeah

[00:16:42] the beautiful

[00:16:43] fun enough there's what

[00:16:44] I don't know if it's the same

[00:16:46] mark

[00:16:46] but um

[00:16:47] where I live there's like a little archery

[00:16:49] club that takes place on a Saturday

[00:16:51] at one of the um

[00:16:52] colleges

[00:16:53] and I was walking through it

[00:16:54] once with the kids

[00:16:55] and there was one of these

[00:16:56] astans

[00:16:56] I'm pretty sure it's the same

[00:16:58] type of after-go pass again

[00:16:59] in like a sort of midnight blue color

[00:17:01] um just sitting there

[00:17:02] it clearly like being driven

[00:17:04] consistently

[00:17:05] and it just had the um

[00:17:06] the driver's window is fully down

[00:17:08] there's no one around

[00:17:09] just left it there

[00:17:10] it's sort

[00:17:10] unbelievable yeah

[00:17:12] and so the sort thing my dad would have done

[00:17:13] um

[00:17:14] I'd have to try and get a picture of it

[00:17:15] because it's a real

[00:17:16] stunning car

[00:17:17] real nice car

[00:17:17] the owner hidden behind a tree

[00:17:19] so I'll robbing the hood

[00:17:20] maybe in the tree

[00:17:21] yeah

[00:17:22] just waiting to

[00:17:23] pound state

[00:17:25] yeah yeah you wouldn't get a nicky

[00:17:26] just in case you got an arrow in the eye

[00:17:28] yeah yeah no I think

[00:17:30] there are certain cars in history

[00:17:31] aren't there

[00:17:32] I mean and much less so now I think

[00:17:34] and I'm not saying that there's

[00:17:35] not

[00:17:35] beautiful cars

[00:17:36] made now

[00:17:37] I mean there are

[00:17:38] we could probably be known

[00:17:39] several but

[00:17:41] going back to the 70s and 80s

[00:17:42] there were certain cars

[00:17:44] that then

[00:17:44] and still now

[00:17:45] 40 or 50 years later

[00:17:47] I think our

[00:17:48] art forms

[00:17:49] I think that iconic

[00:17:50] I think they're beautiful

[00:17:51] so the Ferrari D

[00:17:53] you know another one of my bucket list

[00:17:54] which

[00:17:54] the car my dad never had

[00:17:55] by the way

[00:17:56] the E type

[00:17:57] the V8 Vantage

[00:17:58] the Lamborghini Mura

[00:18:00] you know talking of the attack job

[00:18:01] that kind

[00:18:02] I wonder there too many

[00:18:03] and quid now

[00:18:03] those mirrors

[00:18:04] and they're about nine grand new

[00:18:06] I just think

[00:18:08] when you think

[00:18:08] that those cars were designed

[00:18:10] in a very basic time

[00:18:12] with no wind tunnel

[00:18:13] literally someone

[00:18:13] probably just sitting there

[00:18:14] with a pencil

[00:18:15] that are kind of easel

[00:18:17] what beautiful cars

[00:18:19] that era

[00:18:20] produced

[00:18:21] and no wonder they're so

[00:18:22] coveted now

[00:18:23] yeah

[00:18:24] I guess obviously given your

[00:18:25] your father's trade

[00:18:27] the vehicles were very much kind of a status thing

[00:18:29] he was looking for something

[00:18:30] that was

[00:18:31] sort of impressive

[00:18:32] that would turn people's heads I suppose

[00:18:33] rather than going for something

[00:18:35] that was practical

[00:18:36] or

[00:18:36] yeah not at all fuel efficient

[00:18:38] so as I was trying to say

[00:18:39] my dad was inadequate

[00:18:40] in some way Andy

[00:18:42] and I'm not sure

[00:18:43] maybe

[00:18:44] he was a big guy actually

[00:18:45] he was a very

[00:18:46] very tall chap

[00:18:46] who's about 64

[00:18:47] no no no no

[00:18:49] this was a time

[00:18:50] you know 70s and 80s

[00:18:51] I think lots of people showed off

[00:18:54] particularly mid-latey

[00:18:55] it was all about

[00:18:57] status wasn't it

[00:18:58] the cold

[00:18:59] very end-filled

[00:19:00] loads of money

[00:19:01] yuppie

[00:19:01] red brace system

[00:19:03] seriously I think there was

[00:19:04] probably a huge element of that

[00:19:06] it actually still exists

[00:19:07] with most estate agents now actually

[00:19:10] in terms of

[00:19:11] estate

[00:19:11] through a watcher house or a car

[00:19:14] there was a lot of that

[00:19:14] and don't forget as well

[00:19:16] I come from Essex

[00:19:17] so you could imagine

[00:19:19] and estate agency family from Essex

[00:19:21] you've got to tick the car box

[00:19:23] and keep ticking it for sure

[00:19:24] yeah yeah

[00:19:24] so yeah I think

[00:19:25] they absolutely were status symbols

[00:19:28] yeah and if I remember

[00:19:29] the circle of friends

[00:19:32] and work colleagues

[00:19:33] that my dad and his brothers

[00:19:34] had at that time

[00:19:36] you know sophisticated in particular

[00:19:37] do you file a fax

[00:19:38] is floating around I bet

[00:19:40] well yeah

[00:19:40] file a fax is

[00:19:41] and massive phones

[00:19:43] in fact like this

[00:19:44] hey hey

[00:19:45] oh nice

[00:19:47] he says picking up a dummy motorola

[00:19:49] 8500

[00:19:50] heavily

[00:19:50] which is a prop for someone

[00:19:51] I'm doing on Sunday

[00:19:52] for now

[00:19:53] no but I mean the cars

[00:19:54] you know the cars around that time

[00:19:56] you know rose voice corny

[00:19:57] she's Lamborghini this

[00:19:59] I remember next to what one

[00:20:00] now you've had two Lotus'

[00:20:02] sprays

[00:20:02] he had a white series one

[00:20:03] you know like the James Bond

[00:20:05] Roger Moore car that came out

[00:20:07] of water

[00:20:08] and a black JPS car

[00:20:11] yeah an incredible

[00:20:12] era

[00:20:13] and I actually probably remember the cars

[00:20:15] more than I do the people

[00:20:16] the neighbors actually

[00:20:17] yeah

[00:20:17] for probably all the right reasons

[00:20:19] so um

[00:20:19] but yes

[00:20:20] the cars are status symbols aren't they

[00:20:22] I think

[00:20:23] you know I like to think

[00:20:24] when you go to a car me

[00:20:25] these days

[00:20:26] I think this is definitely true

[00:20:27] of the Porsche world

[00:20:28] people are there to admire

[00:20:30] the car

[00:20:30] and talk about the car

[00:20:32] whether it's a really cool

[00:20:33] battered old 911 SC

[00:20:35] got mine

[00:20:36] or whether it's a guy that turns

[00:20:37] up in a 992 GT3 RS

[00:20:39] that he's paid 400 grand for

[00:20:41] they're almost equally beautiful

[00:20:44] iconic and so

[00:20:46] I think there are definitely

[00:20:47] people that buy cars

[00:20:50] whether in the Porsche world or not

[00:20:51] but particularly outside of it

[00:20:52] particularly Lamborghini owners

[00:20:54] I'd say

[00:20:55] they definitely do it for status

[00:20:56] it's definitely about

[00:20:57] look at me

[00:20:58] I mean that's why

[00:20:59] how many times have you seen a

[00:21:00] bright

[00:21:01] lizard green or python green

[00:21:03] Lamborghini Huracan

[00:21:04] I mean

[00:21:05] there's anything's not ostentatious

[00:21:06] enough being in a 300 grand

[00:21:08] Lamborghini

[00:21:09] don't buy a bloody yellow one

[00:21:11] it's a really underlined

[00:21:14] the fact hey did you not see

[00:21:15] me coming

[00:21:16] did you see how successful I am

[00:21:18] so I think yeah

[00:21:19] the Lamborghini owners

[00:21:20] this is very controversial

[00:21:21] Lamborghini owners are all about

[00:21:22] status and look at me

[00:21:23] I've done really well

[00:21:23] I'm a crypto delinear

[00:21:26] and I think

[00:21:27] I'd like to say this is true

[00:21:28] that classic Porsche

[00:21:29] owners are much more

[00:21:31] civilized

[00:21:31] and

[00:21:33] they're about respect for the mark

[00:21:35] rather than

[00:21:36] look at me

[00:21:37] do you think that's true

[00:21:38] I think so

[00:21:38] I think it is a little bit more

[00:21:40] subdued isn't it a bit more subtle

[00:21:41] yeah I think I think that's

[00:21:43] probably right

[00:21:44] it's having a car for the

[00:21:44] right reasons is what I'm saying

[00:21:46] you know not not say to the

[00:21:47] neighbors hey look at me

[00:21:48] I've just spent 400 grand

[00:21:49] it's um

[00:21:51] you know I'm lucky enough to have

[00:21:52] a couple of cars

[00:21:53] one of my favorite cars

[00:21:54] is the cheapest car

[00:21:56] it's a 35 grand 9 11 SC

[00:21:58] that needs loads of paint work

[00:22:00] uh I'll throw it this morning

[00:22:01] I absolutely

[00:22:03] love it

[00:22:04] um and I definitely didn't buy

[00:22:05] that to show off

[00:22:06] I bought it because I think

[00:22:07] at 79 9 11 SC

[00:22:09] he's just a beautiful bit of

[00:22:11] kit

[00:22:12] it's just a lovely sounding thing

[00:22:13] you know so

[00:22:14] I think yeah look

[00:22:15] buy a car for the right reasons

[00:22:16] um

[00:22:17] yeah and who knows

[00:22:18] the old ones might

[00:22:19] actually go up in value a little

[00:22:21] bit which they seem to have done

[00:22:22] don't they

[00:22:22] indeed

[00:22:23] so if we go back to

[00:22:24] the list

[00:22:25] any memories of kind of

[00:22:26] vehicles taking you to school

[00:22:28] I think you've got a rose voice on the list

[00:22:29] yeah whether

[00:22:30] I remember my dad dropping off

[00:22:31] in the accident one day

[00:22:32] so

[00:22:33] barely when I

[00:22:34] went my mom and dad split up

[00:22:35] I ended up being

[00:22:36] locked into a state

[00:22:37] comprehensive in Baselden

[00:22:39] having gone to a private school in

[00:22:41] Bitterricki that was a bit of a

[00:22:42] contrast um

[00:22:43] and

[00:22:43] I mean my de-tropic of a school in

[00:22:45] the Aston

[00:22:47] which no one there had ever seen

[00:22:48] one of these things before

[00:22:50] maybe a film or two

[00:22:51] and

[00:22:53] I mean back in the day

[00:22:54] rather than that being something

[00:22:55] where people pat you on the back

[00:22:57] and say oh your dad's got a nice car

[00:22:58] um I think I was bullied

[00:23:00] relentlessly

[00:23:01] for weeks afterwards

[00:23:03] because of the audacity

[00:23:04] of my dad turning up in a car

[00:23:05] that might have been worth more

[00:23:06] than people's houses that bad then

[00:23:08] um so yeah I definitely remember that

[00:23:09] um

[00:23:11] uh

[00:23:12] rose voices yeah he had

[00:23:13] phase of rose voices

[00:23:15] uh and he definitely

[00:23:16] I mean after that one incident by the way

[00:23:17] whenever he did drop me off the school

[00:23:18] if I missed the bus

[00:23:20] I would insist that he dropped me off

[00:23:21] about half a mile

[00:23:22] around the corner from the school

[00:23:24] because I just didn't want to stick there

[00:23:25] um

[00:23:26] so he had a rose voice still with shadow one

[00:23:30] he then had a beautiful dark blue

[00:23:31] midnight blue rose or shadow two

[00:23:33] which I still think is only

[00:23:35] lovely lovely looking car even now

[00:23:37] um then he had a rose or a silver spirit

[00:23:40] which was the kind of the new one

[00:23:41] well it was new to him rather than being brand new

[00:23:43] yeah yeah he went through this kind of

[00:23:46] this phase of rose voices

[00:23:48] um I guess as he

[00:23:49] was going to see gold

[00:23:50] but he was probably in his late 30s

[00:23:52] early 40s only

[00:23:53] um but yeah decided to gain to rose voices

[00:23:56] probably again as you say John for

[00:23:58] status purposes he went through a little

[00:24:00] Mercedes phase

[00:24:02] at a 500 SL

[00:24:04] at a dark blue

[00:24:05] SEC

[00:24:06] at 500 SEC coupe

[00:24:08] the long two or coupé thing

[00:24:10] with again you know

[00:24:12] whatever they were

[00:24:12] bbs wheels

[00:24:13] pillar of sun nothing

[00:24:14] yeah pillar of s yet

[00:24:15] and again I just

[00:24:16] whole thing

[00:24:17] then he had

[00:24:19] uh I remember he had a mark

[00:24:20] to escor RS2000

[00:24:23] that was almost his daily

[00:24:24] that was the car that he used for

[00:24:26] again probably just a few months

[00:24:27] but as he's kind of daily thing

[00:24:29] but that was a real fun thing

[00:24:31] and again I've got that on my bucket

[00:24:32] this now to eventually own a mark one

[00:24:34] or a mark two

[00:24:35] escor RS2000s I think they're

[00:24:37] again beautiful and iconic

[00:24:39] yeah but loads of money now you see

[00:24:41] how much they are they're not 40 grand

[00:24:42] yeah 400 or 500 quick new

[00:24:44] that's quite a difference isn't it

[00:24:46] the escor from those other ones

[00:24:48] if you line those up

[00:24:49] I guess your typical cherished vehicle

[00:24:51] kind of go back 20 years or whatever

[00:24:53] and then you've got the escor

[00:24:54] which is sort of the everyday hero isn't it

[00:24:56] but but that was yeah that was an additional car

[00:24:58] I mean we had that in the astrum at the same time

[00:25:00] funny enough and and funny enough that

[00:25:02] I'm I'm a Porsche guy

[00:25:04] I just I love Porsche on a Leopard

[00:25:05] always have the route of that by the way

[00:25:07] is some condor man the movie

[00:25:09] do you remember that

[00:25:10] I think I've seen it

[00:25:11] it's one of the worst movies has ever

[00:25:13] been produced in America

[00:25:15] absolutely awesome

[00:25:16] and starring

[00:25:17] you remember Frank Spencer

[00:25:19] young mothers do you have

[00:25:20] yeah yeah yeah Michael Crawford

[00:25:21] yeah Michael Crawford

[00:25:23] yeah so he was the star of that movie

[00:25:26] so 1981 film

[00:25:28] and he was awful the plot was awful

[00:25:31] he was one of these it was a bit of an Austin powers type I think

[00:25:34] where he was pretty endless

[00:25:36] but ended up being a kind of superstar

[00:25:37] that somehow obviously did everything right at the end

[00:25:40] a bit of a Johnny English type I suppose you'd say

[00:25:42] yeah yeah in that film as I'm watching it

[00:25:45] going back to the early 80s

[00:25:47] the baddies that chase

[00:25:49] Michael Crawford Frank Spencer

[00:25:51] through the mountains of whichever country it was

[00:25:54] or all in black Porsche 930 turbos

[00:25:57] but six of them

[00:25:58] oh nice yeah

[00:25:59] racing through the hills of wherever it was

[00:26:01] you know Montenegro is it is now

[00:26:04] so that that sits with me is probably my defining

[00:26:07] the catalysty Porsche moment in my life

[00:26:11] but my dad my dad never seemed to be

[00:26:13] particularly interesting Porsche

[00:26:14] so yeah the 928s 4 later on

[00:26:17] he had a 924 turbo

[00:26:20] look a little green or colors

[00:26:23] which again I think is a rare car now

[00:26:25] probably worth a few quid that that was an awesome little thing

[00:26:28] that was and he had a 911 sport

[00:26:30] magic so you know back in the 70s

[00:26:33] that horrible gearbox so you kind of

[00:26:35] so great no clutch

[00:26:37] somehow it was magnetic or some

[00:26:40] magic nonsense

[00:26:42] with your hand on the gear knob

[00:26:44] that engaged the clutch

[00:26:46] and I remember being in that car with him

[00:26:48] it's a right hand drive

[00:26:50] yellow must have been a early 70s

[00:26:52] sportmatic f-series 911

[00:26:56] and he literally even though he's a decent driver

[00:26:58] he couldn't get on with it

[00:26:59] so that car last less than a week

[00:27:02] that went well

[00:27:03] the car was working how much money he got

[00:27:05] so he's only ever to my memory

[00:27:07] had three Porsche's

[00:27:08] so I didn't really get my Porsche bug

[00:27:10] from the old man

[00:27:11] but he's had pretty much everything else

[00:27:14] so many everything you can imagine

[00:27:16] he's had jags so he's had lots of BMWs

[00:27:19] lots of Mercedes

[00:27:20] jags and astans

[00:27:23] I think there's not much back then that he didn't have

[00:27:26] was there one that he regretted selling

[00:27:28] do you think

[00:27:29] like maybe in his later life kind of look

[00:27:31] back at the thought

[00:27:32] yeah that was that was probably the one

[00:27:34] there's certainly plenty of the ira grame

[00:27:35] so I don't know about him

[00:27:40] I don't know really

[00:27:42] I mean there's probably a few

[00:27:44] he didn't regret selling

[00:27:45] like the 911 support matter

[00:27:46] or the other one that was a real bag of

[00:27:47] spanners was some a TVR

[00:27:50] now TVRs have got a terrible reputation

[00:27:53] for reliability kind of now

[00:27:55] imagine what they were like in the early mid 70s

[00:27:57] yeah you know again I remember him driving

[00:28:00] home in that

[00:28:01] and the sound of that

[00:28:02] whatever it was at the time

[00:28:03] v6, v8

[00:28:05] wherever it was

[00:28:06] to the driveway

[00:28:07] you know me as a little kid running out

[00:28:08] my god what's this

[00:28:09] jumping in the passenger so

[00:28:10] he's actually driving off

[00:28:11] and you know give me a kind of run down

[00:28:13] the road in it

[00:28:14] I remember that not lasting long

[00:28:16] so it might be that the next day

[00:28:17] broke down on his way to the office

[00:28:19] let's see he definitely didn't

[00:28:21] regret selling some of them

[00:28:23] but what would he have regretted

[00:28:25] I don't know actually

[00:28:26] I don't know

[00:28:27] because he was a big guy

[00:28:29] and the role's the right thing

[00:28:30] I remember that really soothing

[00:28:32] in you know

[00:28:33] silver shadow and the silver spirit

[00:28:35] you know where you kind of

[00:28:36] wallow along in those things

[00:28:37] don't you with their kind of

[00:28:39] you know air sprung

[00:28:41] wathy

[00:28:42] suspension and you know

[00:28:43] quiet engine and so on

[00:28:44] so yeah maybe that might be the case

[00:28:47] but I think for

[00:28:48] from the point of view that he had

[00:28:49] this insatiable appetite for cars

[00:28:51] it made a lot of sense for him

[00:28:53] to go into the motor trade

[00:28:54] as did I actually

[00:28:55] literally drive new cars

[00:28:57] different cars

[00:28:58] almost every day of the week

[00:28:59] so I think that was very

[00:29:01] him when he got into

[00:29:03] master and then later on

[00:29:04] Nissan dealerships

[00:29:05] yeah so in the latter part of his life

[00:29:08] I suppose it was the case of that

[00:29:10] thing of everything is always for sale

[00:29:12] hence why there's such a quick turn

[00:29:14] over of car so often

[00:29:15] probably in russles douse case

[00:29:17] yeah but I mean these days

[00:29:19] I mean if you were in an out

[00:29:20] of some really interesting classic cars

[00:29:22] you know you might make it to your quid

[00:29:24] I mean back then

[00:29:25] you know we're talking kind of

[00:29:26] 50 years ago

[00:29:28] I mean there's definitely no premium

[00:29:29] market I would imagine

[00:29:30] that you know

[00:29:31] as to were very very keen

[00:29:32] to sell the new V8

[00:29:33] or even janky because I was

[00:29:35] really sold quite a lot of

[00:29:35] e-types didn't they knew

[00:29:36] or produced quite a few

[00:29:38] I would imagine he'd probably lost

[00:29:39] a fortune I mean I've got no idea

[00:29:41] but you know chopping in and out

[00:29:43] of those cars so frequently

[00:29:45] I really imagine he lost

[00:29:47] a lot of money over

[00:29:48] of period of years

[00:29:50] because they were all at the time

[00:29:52] depreciated you know

[00:29:53] so it didn't seem to phase in

[00:29:55] you know he's a real car nut

[00:29:56] a real car fanatic

[00:29:58] I remember so much so when

[00:29:59] when he had the e-type

[00:30:01] that's all coming back to me now guys

[00:30:03] I remember we were on holiday

[00:30:04] to Spain as a family of four

[00:30:05] me my system on my number

[00:30:06] dad before they split up

[00:30:07] this must be pre-76

[00:30:09] pre-1976

[00:30:11] me my mom and my sister flew

[00:30:13] my dad drove

[00:30:14] I don't drove his e-type

[00:30:16] to Spain

[00:30:17] and back in it

[00:30:18] also because you grow

[00:30:20] I mean I think he broke down

[00:30:21] on the way there

[00:30:21] and he crashed it not badly

[00:30:23] on the way back

[00:30:24] I mean that's back then

[00:30:25] that's a lunatic thing to do

[00:30:27] I mean there's probably no way

[00:30:29] no RAC

[00:30:30] no jag dealerships in Spain

[00:30:31] probably

[00:30:32] I mean I already imagined

[00:30:33] I mean talk about a risk

[00:30:35] but that's because he wanted

[00:30:36] to drive the thing so badly

[00:30:37] maybe he'd only had it for a few weeks

[00:30:39] can't quite remember

[00:30:41] so I think it's a very cool thing to do

[00:30:43] but nuts

[00:30:45] absolutely

[00:30:46] but that's what happens

[00:30:47] if you're a car addict

[00:30:47] right

[00:30:48] I was going to say

[00:30:49] we're speaking about his cars

[00:30:51] unless you're in a very fortunate position

[00:30:53] if you're going to purchase a car

[00:30:54] such as those

[00:30:55] you've probably got to get rid of one

[00:30:56] of him and you to get the next

[00:30:58] so it is a case of either

[00:31:00] you sort of commit to it

[00:31:01] or you kind of keep doing

[00:31:02] the chop and change

[00:31:04] in order to sample all the

[00:31:05] all the ones that are out there

[00:31:07] yeah

[00:31:07] and I think if you imagine back then

[00:31:09] there was definitely no also traded

[00:31:11] because there was

[00:31:12] no internet

[00:31:12] there was exchange in March

[00:31:14] I think

[00:31:14] could you remember exchange in March

[00:31:15] but I don't remember my dad ever

[00:31:17] selling anything privately

[00:31:18] he would have just parked

[00:31:19] exchanged with a

[00:31:20] friendly dealer

[00:31:21] that no doubt became probably one of his best mates

[00:31:23] given how many cars

[00:31:24] so

[00:31:25] and back then

[00:31:26] yeah the only thing you could do

[00:31:27] is to try and sell privately

[00:31:29] I suppose

[00:31:29] which

[00:31:30] given that you'd have to wait for the

[00:31:32] paper to come out

[00:31:33] five days later

[00:31:33] I mean can you imagine I mean what

[00:31:35] a pain

[00:31:36] it would have been much harder

[00:31:37] to do than just to hard exchange

[00:31:39] every time which

[00:31:40] was no doubt

[00:31:41] he did

[00:31:41] yeah

[00:31:41] I remember a mate of his

[00:31:42] was a guy called Tony Levoi

[00:31:44] who I think still actually

[00:31:45] has a voxel

[00:31:47] dealership

[00:31:47] here in Essex

[00:31:49] so he was one of his mates

[00:31:51] so

[00:31:51] no doubt Tony

[00:31:52] boy he's sporting

[00:31:53] two million pound

[00:31:54] mansion in Suffolk off the back

[00:31:55] of my dad's car habit

[00:31:59] that's probably true

[00:32:00] we did actually have a two

[00:32:01] million pound

[00:32:01] sporting Suffolk House

[00:32:03] remember

[00:32:04] we got a wing named

[00:32:05] after you

[00:32:05] Russell

[00:32:06] the quirk

[00:32:06] wing

[00:32:08] that Howard Quirk

[00:32:09] I appreciate you

[00:32:10] we

[00:32:13] thanks keep him coming

[00:32:17] oh have fun

[00:32:19] funny

[00:32:20] yeah no

[00:32:20] an absolute car nut case

[00:32:22] but I love him for it

[00:32:23] and actually if I could

[00:32:25] I suppose I should thank him for the fact

[00:32:26] that

[00:32:27] you know one of my

[00:32:28] pleasurable things

[00:32:29] that I think I do in life

[00:32:30] is my interesting cars

[00:32:32] being able to

[00:32:32] drive them

[00:32:33] look at the moment

[00:32:34] and whatever

[00:32:34] and I've definitely got that from the old man

[00:32:36] as you can tell

[00:32:36] so I think they're pretty big

[00:32:39] in my life

[00:32:39] if it hadn't been for my dad's

[00:32:41] crazy influence

[00:32:43] from the point of view of him

[00:32:44] being such a

[00:32:44] car fanatic himself

[00:32:46] you mentioned your sister

[00:32:47] is it something that she's picked up as well

[00:32:48] or is it

[00:32:49] not really kind of her bag

[00:32:51] she likes a car

[00:32:51] she works in the motor trade fun enough

[00:32:53] oh okay

[00:32:54] and so she works

[00:32:56] for a technology business

[00:32:58] related to the motor trade

[00:32:59] so

[00:33:00] not TFL is it

[00:33:05] it's a proper company

[00:33:06] that actually operates

[00:33:07] properly correctly

[00:33:08] you know nothing she's

[00:33:09] she works for a

[00:33:11] website and digital media

[00:33:12] type business

[00:33:13] that

[00:33:14] has as its customers

[00:33:15] car dealers motor dealers

[00:33:17] yeah

[00:33:17] you know I don't think so

[00:33:18] I think

[00:33:18] no she

[00:33:18] I don't know

[00:33:19] the response

[00:33:20] about it

[00:33:20] I think I'm

[00:33:21] I should do

[00:33:22] additional

[00:33:22] but she's

[00:33:23] she's had the same car

[00:33:23] for ages from what I remember

[00:33:24] so

[00:33:25] no I don't quite know anybody

[00:33:27] apart from some of the people now

[00:33:28] I know in the partial world

[00:33:30] that you know seem to have lots of cars

[00:33:32] and

[00:33:33] chop and change a lot

[00:33:33] I don't know anybody else

[00:33:34] like my dad

[00:33:35] in terms of easy history

[00:33:37] when it comes to car ownership

[00:33:38] Franklin

[00:33:38] oh it makes for some fantastic stories

[00:33:40] so

[00:33:42] people such as

[00:33:43] such as your father

[00:33:44] for some of his

[00:33:44] that kind of history

[00:33:45] and

[00:33:46] yeah that kind of passion for vehicles

[00:33:48] and just wanting to experience

[00:33:49] them all and change them

[00:33:50] and

[00:33:51] yeah with that

[00:33:52] something I've kind of picked up

[00:33:53] from doing this really

[00:33:54] you forget that

[00:33:55] as a parent as well

[00:33:56] I don't know if you've got kids

[00:33:58] but you start to realise

[00:33:59] actually

[00:33:59] any point

[00:34:00] at any day

[00:34:01] could be the first

[00:34:02] memory of something

[00:34:03] for your children

[00:34:04] yeah

[00:34:04] and

[00:34:05] you kind of don't realise that

[00:34:06] until you start talking about these

[00:34:07] and looking back

[00:34:08] retrospectively

[00:34:09] and that makes you think a little bit

[00:34:11] differently

[00:34:11] I think it makes become

[00:34:12] through the door

[00:34:13] kind of in the evening or whatever

[00:34:14] with a bit more of a smile on my face

[00:34:16] absolutely

[00:34:16] I think

[00:34:17] it's a really interesting point

[00:34:18] I was told to somebody about this the other day

[00:34:21] firstly

[00:34:21] unfortunate

[00:34:22] no matter how

[00:34:23] forceful I am

[00:34:24] with regard to my four kids

[00:34:26] at Sun who's in his late 20s

[00:34:27] and I've got three teenage doctors

[00:34:29] I've tried to get them all involved

[00:34:31] and interested in cars

[00:34:32] and then not interested

[00:34:35] it would look like

[00:34:35] one nine eleven versus

[00:34:36] another versus another

[00:34:37] and say

[00:34:38] they're all the same dad

[00:34:39] why do you need more than one right

[00:34:40] they're all the same

[00:34:42] so my kids are not interested

[00:34:44] no matter how hard I've tried to get them

[00:34:45] interested

[00:34:46] but the fascinating thing for me

[00:34:48] is

[00:34:49] and I'm sure this has happened

[00:34:50] to lots of people

[00:34:51] that listen

[00:34:52] to this

[00:34:53] you can be driving along

[00:34:54] in let's say a reasonably nice car

[00:34:55] whatever it might be

[00:34:56] let's say a nine eleven turbo

[00:34:59] new or old

[00:35:01] and you get

[00:35:02] a young kid

[00:35:03] who's five or six years old

[00:35:05] walking along holding

[00:35:06] his dad's hand

[00:35:07] in the street

[00:35:08] and the dad looks

[00:35:10] and the kid looks

[00:35:11] and you can see in the kids eyes

[00:35:12] as you go past

[00:35:13] that you have just

[00:35:15] triggered something

[00:35:16] in that kid's brain

[00:35:18] that makes them

[00:35:19] they want to be nine eleven

[00:35:20] turbo

[00:35:21] home in a three decades later

[00:35:22] right

[00:35:22] yeah yeah

[00:35:23] I'm not only fascinated by

[00:35:25] the catalyst

[00:35:27] I drove down the road from where I live here

[00:35:29] was probably autumn last year

[00:35:30] a few months ago

[00:35:32] and there was

[00:35:32] the guy walking along

[00:35:33] with his son on his shoulders

[00:35:36] young son obviously wasn't

[00:35:37] he's twenty

[00:35:37] only

[00:35:37] I'm sorry

[00:35:39] that would have been awkward

[00:35:41] giant haystacks

[00:35:44] and it was

[00:35:45] whatever it was

[00:35:45] August 7th and the last year

[00:35:47] and I had the window open

[00:35:48] and I heard the kids say to his dad

[00:35:50] wow dad look

[00:35:52] and the kids five years old

[00:35:54] do you think

[00:35:55] how do you know

[00:35:56] how would you know that

[00:35:57] that's better than a monday

[00:35:58] sorry monday

[00:36:00] how do you know that that's not just

[00:36:02] a

[00:36:03] boxal

[00:36:04] ordinary

[00:36:05] or whatever

[00:36:07] and you know

[00:36:08] that that car

[00:36:09] is to some people

[00:36:10] a lovely thing

[00:36:11] a bit special

[00:36:12] so

[00:36:13] I'm with you

[00:36:14] 100% Andy

[00:36:15] I love

[00:36:16] you know when you go to a car event

[00:36:17] and there's a

[00:36:18] load of kind of

[00:36:19] heads kind of milling around

[00:36:20] they want to look in the car

[00:36:21] and they want to hear it

[00:36:22] rare for you

[00:36:22] think look

[00:36:23] this is

[00:36:24] this is a wonderful moment

[00:36:26] that this is almost

[00:36:27] being transferred

[00:36:28] to you now as another

[00:36:29] generation

[00:36:30] love of

[00:36:30] particularly old cars

[00:36:31] but why is it

[00:36:32] in our DNA as human beings

[00:36:34] that even at four years old

[00:36:36] you know that a 9-11

[00:36:37] is pretty cool

[00:36:37] or a frory

[00:36:38] 355

[00:36:39] or

[00:36:40] you know

[00:36:41] Lamborghini

[00:36:42] Harajana

[00:36:43] or whatever

[00:36:43] it's

[00:36:44] it's amazing really

[00:36:45] that

[00:36:45] the kids know

[00:36:46] and then that sticks with them

[00:36:47] but the trigger

[00:36:49] the catalyst

[00:36:50] yeah

[00:36:50] now

[00:36:51] how incredibly interesting is that

[00:36:53] that we're

[00:36:54] we're making an inspiring

[00:36:55] future

[00:36:57] owners of

[00:36:58] supercars and classic cars

[00:36:59] just by using cars

[00:37:01] that we

[00:37:02] we were own

[00:37:03] which brings us another thing

[00:37:05] about making sure

[00:37:06] that you know

[00:37:06] this is a big thing in

[00:37:07] nine works right

[00:37:08] drive them

[00:37:09] don't hide them

[00:37:09] hmm

[00:37:11] these

[00:37:11] people that make garage

[00:37:13] queens of their cars

[00:37:14] you know

[00:37:15] I think that's such a sad thing

[00:37:16] I think you

[00:37:16] whatever you've got

[00:37:17] even if it is a 2 million pound

[00:37:19] euro

[00:37:20] or a 400 grand

[00:37:22] dino

[00:37:22] you've got to use it

[00:37:23] every now and then

[00:37:24] I don't mean to go the shops

[00:37:25] every day

[00:37:26] but you've got to get

[00:37:27] these things out

[00:37:27] and drive them

[00:37:29] aid because they deserve

[00:37:29] to be driven

[00:37:30] and they're beautiful

[00:37:30] but to inspire

[00:37:31] the next generation of

[00:37:32] car lovers

[00:37:33] I think going back to your point

[00:37:35] there obviously talking

[00:37:35] about child walking

[00:37:36] along with dad

[00:37:37] and I've got a

[00:37:38] 9-4-4

[00:37:39] and every opportunity

[00:37:40] I'll pop the headlights up

[00:37:41] to

[00:37:42] kind of kids walking past

[00:37:43] but

[00:37:44] I think if you compare

[00:37:45] to anything else

[00:37:46] like

[00:37:46] I don't think it's

[00:37:47] necessarily that

[00:37:48] they know what the cars are

[00:37:49] but

[00:37:50] if they only ever ate apples

[00:37:51] and then someone gave them a banana

[00:37:53] it would turn their head

[00:37:54] wouldn't it

[00:37:55] and in the same way

[00:37:56] that actually

[00:37:57] if you only ever see

[00:37:58] board focuses

[00:37:59] and then someone drives past

[00:38:00] in the 9-11

[00:38:01] it's so

[00:38:01] well what's that

[00:38:02] yeah

[00:38:03] do you think it might be

[00:38:04] something I'm going to be

[00:38:05] controversial

[00:38:05] here do you think

[00:38:05] might be something a little bit more

[00:38:08] primeval than that

[00:38:09] in that the ways

[00:38:10] some of these cars get drawn

[00:38:11] is almost

[00:38:11] and I don't want to use

[00:38:12] the word

[00:38:13] erotic

[00:38:13] I don't mean that

[00:38:14] but I mean

[00:38:15] almost of

[00:38:16] you might know where I'm going

[00:38:17] here but almost of

[00:38:19] the human female

[00:38:20] fool

[00:38:20] do you know what I mean

[00:38:21] does that sound weird

[00:38:22] there's some curves

[00:38:23] and things isn't there for short

[00:38:24] with

[00:38:25] with a lot of those supercars

[00:38:26] and

[00:38:27] I'm just saying

[00:38:27] that you stop

[00:38:28] consciously as a designer

[00:38:29] you drew the 9-11

[00:38:30] with big hips for a reason

[00:38:32] and big headlights

[00:38:33] you know where I'm going

[00:38:34] you might have to bleed this whole section

[00:38:37] but later on

[00:38:38] as a human

[00:38:39] with human DNA

[00:38:40] it will be at

[00:38:41] nine years old or whatever

[00:38:42] maybe you recognise that

[00:38:44] I don't know

[00:38:44] is that a thing

[00:38:45] possibly

[00:38:46] I'm just sort of a postcard listener

[00:38:50] yeah

[00:38:51] fantastic

[00:38:52] are there any other cars

[00:38:53] you wanted to bring up brussel

[00:38:54] we're going for most of them really

[00:38:55] I'm probably forgotten

[00:38:56] after a dozen or so

[00:38:57] because yes

[00:38:59] the only other thing

[00:39:00] that probably is worthy of know

[00:39:01] which kind of sums him up

[00:39:03] and something

[00:39:04] I've never really done

[00:39:05] is when he was a

[00:39:06] master dealer

[00:39:07] principal

[00:39:07] we owned a master dealership

[00:39:09] they introduced the MX-5

[00:39:11] okay

[00:39:11] back in

[00:39:12] with that have been

[00:39:13] 89 is it

[00:39:14] 91

[00:39:15] well something like that

[00:39:16] yeah

[00:39:17] early 90s or what they called in the US

[00:39:19] to me

[00:39:19] after

[00:39:20] I mean a really

[00:39:21] really cool nippy car

[00:39:23] at the time

[00:39:24] that was one of the first cars I remember

[00:39:26] because I was in the motor trail

[00:39:27] that time

[00:39:28] where you couldn't get enough of them

[00:39:29] and they were selling

[00:39:30] not just at least with no discount

[00:39:31] but

[00:39:32] you know almost a little tiny premium

[00:39:34] anyway they

[00:39:35] introduced master UK

[00:39:37] a race series

[00:39:39] so he entered

[00:39:40] although he didn't drive it

[00:39:41] he had a

[00:39:41] driver to

[00:39:43] race the car from

[00:39:43] he entered the master MX-5 race series

[00:39:45] so

[00:39:46] that was a real fun time

[00:39:47] going to

[00:39:48] Silverstone, Brands, Hatch and so on

[00:39:51] with a load of other

[00:39:52] master teams

[00:39:53] from different dealerships

[00:39:54] across the country

[00:39:56] and seeing these things flying

[00:39:57] around race circuits

[00:39:58] and spinning off

[00:39:59] and all sorts

[00:40:00] that was

[00:40:00] that that was a real

[00:40:02] again another catalyst

[00:40:03] I think

[00:40:04] you know talk about

[00:40:04] a really cool

[00:40:05] introduction to motorsport

[00:40:07] I think they still might even run

[00:40:09] some kind of MX-5

[00:40:10] challenge or series

[00:40:12] I think they do

[00:40:13] yeah

[00:40:13] we think they do

[00:40:14] so yeah so I remember that

[00:40:15] there's another one of those

[00:40:15] things that sticks in your mind

[00:40:17] I would

[00:40:17] by that time I was probably late

[00:40:18] teams early 20s

[00:40:19] what I definitely remember

[00:40:20] is thinking

[00:40:21] why is he let me drive it

[00:40:24] rather than that bloke

[00:40:25] you're paying to drive

[00:40:26] it always comes third from last

[00:40:27] but

[00:40:28] anyway

[00:40:29] has it led you towards any sort

[00:40:30] of motorsport or track day stuff

[00:40:32] because of that

[00:40:33] I've done a couple of track days

[00:40:36] I'm lucky enough to have

[00:40:38] a 997 GT3

[00:40:39] which is

[00:40:41] lovely

[00:40:42] and ridiculously quick

[00:40:43] 400 and where is break horse power

[00:40:46] I'd bought a track day with Porsche

[00:40:48] before I bought the car

[00:40:49] totally rid of the car

[00:40:51] from

[00:40:52] Scuderia prestige

[00:40:53] I think they were

[00:40:53] I bought it from down in

[00:40:55] the south somewhere

[00:40:56] anyway

[00:40:57] decided to take that car

[00:40:59] to the track day

[00:41:00] good wood

[00:41:01] having owned the thing for two weeks

[00:41:03] not knowing the car therefore

[00:41:05] to a track that I'd never driven

[00:41:07] before

[00:41:08] and the morning

[00:41:09] that I got there

[00:41:10] was pouring with rain

[00:41:11] oh goodness

[00:41:12] this isn't going on well

[00:41:13] well a very very quick car

[00:41:16] in amateur hands mine

[00:41:19] a circuit not only do I not know

[00:41:20] but those for me

[00:41:21] with good wood will know this

[00:41:22] there's very little room for error

[00:41:24] in terms of runoff

[00:41:25] yeah

[00:41:25] I did do the right thing

[00:41:26] I actually booked an instructor

[00:41:27] for the first part of the track day session

[00:41:30] so this

[00:41:30] this guy sat next to me

[00:41:31] the passenger seat

[00:41:32] and the first thing he said to me

[00:41:34] is

[00:41:35] you've got cut two tyres mate

[00:41:37] and I said

[00:41:38] have I

[00:41:39] okay lovely great

[00:41:40] that's a good thing

[00:41:42] not to say

[00:41:44] today is not

[00:41:46] he said up to his

[00:41:47] brilliant in the dry

[00:41:48] really sticky so it's pouring with rain

[00:41:51] and as we pulled out the pits

[00:41:52] I said so

[00:41:53] tell me I've never never done this

[00:41:54] before

[00:41:56] traction control on a rough

[00:41:57] we went no

[00:41:58] leave it on

[00:41:59] it's got sake

[00:42:00] it's got sake

[00:42:01] leave it on

[00:42:03] as we pulled out the pits

[00:42:04] so it was

[00:42:05] because it's a Porsche ClubMe

[00:42:06] they only allow

[00:42:07] the eight cars out track

[00:42:09] at a time

[00:42:10] we're i think batch three

[00:42:12] the Porsche Cayman

[00:42:13] at the beginning of our group

[00:42:15] goes into bend one

[00:42:16] which is a kind of double apex

[00:42:18] bend

[00:42:19] goes too fast

[00:42:20] lifts off spins

[00:42:21] and hits the tyres

[00:42:23] and smashes

[00:42:24] the entire front

[00:42:25] the car

[00:42:26] goodness

[00:42:27] so literally

[00:42:28] 400 meters into his first lap of the day

[00:42:31] didn't totally his car but smashed it

[00:42:33] bad

[00:42:35] says me sitting there

[00:42:36] hands

[00:42:37] very rigid on the steerable thinking okay

[00:42:40] yeah new car

[00:42:41] new track

[00:42:42] wrong tyres

[00:42:43] in the wet

[00:42:43] and i've just seen someone crash

[00:42:46] i just met the next

[00:42:47] three or four hours of that track day

[00:42:50] driving like an 80 year old

[00:42:54] i think i'd have done the old

[00:42:55] homicimpsons

[00:42:56] dad rewalks into the bar

[00:42:58] hats off hats on straight back out again

[00:43:01] yeah see that right

[00:43:02] so not the most enjoyable track day you can have

[00:43:05] so um so there's a very long answer to your question

[00:43:07] about on track days i've done a couple

[00:43:09] on that basis i'm sure they're great fun if you really know what you're doing

[00:43:12] but if you don't

[00:43:13] the risk of totaling a fairly expensive car

[00:43:17] which i think could be very

[00:43:18] certainly is very easy to do

[00:43:20] or they'll push me off the next one really

[00:43:22] yeah yeah

[00:43:23] that's fair enough

[00:43:23] so it's as far as the thrill isn't it for some people

[00:43:26] that sort of

[00:43:27] off i do come off

[00:43:28] or smashing a hundred back

[00:43:29] car

[00:43:30] yeah

[00:43:30] i'm done yeah

[00:43:32] well yeah

[00:43:33] and of course a lot on track days

[00:43:35] i mean particularly the ones that are a bit of a freeful

[00:43:38] i think it's as ever it's not what you do is it

[00:43:40] it's what somebody else does

[00:43:42] someone spins directly in front of the new t-bone

[00:43:44] and you think okay now we got to have the argument

[00:43:47] as to who's paying for that you know who spoke

[00:43:49] was that and it's just

[00:43:51] i'd rather do a track day in somebody else's car i think

[00:43:53] you need a mart one mx5 didn't you

[00:43:55] five grand absolute banger

[00:43:57] perfect or go to the the bed for an auto drone thing

[00:44:00] that i did um which is um so Jonathan Palmer's

[00:44:04] place yeah yeah i did that a few months ago

[00:44:06] in lots of different things car,

[00:44:08] genetors um they let you go out in

[00:44:10] formula f 3000 single-seaters

[00:44:14] which used to be back in the day the cars that used to

[00:44:16] support the formula one yeah yeah

[00:44:17] well i got i couldn't believe that they're going to

[00:44:19] let's try and but they do so you

[00:44:20] you whiz around this kind of makeshift track on an airfield

[00:44:23] in these high revving three-liter v6 lunatic cars

[00:44:26] so um

[00:44:27] well definitely rather do that so something goes wrong

[00:44:30] uh safety and health notwithstanding

[00:44:32] at least you're praying somebody else's car

[00:44:35] indeed yeah i've heard good things about those days

[00:44:38] yeah proper fun proper fun well um yeah thank you very much for joining us

[00:44:42] Russell it's been good fun and some great stories

[00:44:44] it's been therapy chats thanks

[00:44:46] we'll pop an invoice in the post

[00:44:48] that's what we say isn't it

[00:44:50] yeah i'm sorry now i'm coming to terms with my

[00:44:54] dad's failings and um i'm no longer a car now

[00:44:56] great thank you

[00:44:58] uh cheers but be fun guys thank you

[00:45:00] yeah wonderful thanks a lot Russell

[00:45:02] all right speak soon see you later

[00:45:04] cool enjoy that yeah it's good a nice

[00:45:07] frank spence the reference in there as well

[00:45:08] our first one thank you for

[00:45:11] yeah some mothers do have them

[00:45:13] that's um yeah quite the back catalog isn't it

[00:45:15] and it's quite the uh the frequency that his

[00:45:18] dad changed vehicles yeah i think we could

[00:45:20] we could go on frayals come we're really going

[00:45:22] through all those fantastic cars he'd sent me a list of about ten but

[00:45:26] it sounds like there's probably at least double that with the

[00:45:29] yeah yeah yeah the regularity of him uh

[00:45:32] yeah shopping them in good to have triggered a

[00:45:33] couple of memories in there as well for the old

[00:45:36] trip abroad or his dad drove the type to

[00:45:39] was it Spain and then yeah yeah Russell and

[00:45:42] family got a got a plane got a flight

[00:45:45] boring yeah that's cool though isn't it

[00:45:49] um i'm not sure i'd get away with that one if

[00:45:51] sort of said to the kids yeah mommy's going to take you

[00:45:54] guys i want to drive my can go to spate

[00:45:58] i'm gonna take the forecast

[00:46:02] yeah brilliant so um yeah i've got a sort of

[00:46:05] obviously a soft spot for e-types anyway so um nice to do that and

[00:46:09] hmm i'm a massive fan of the Italian job

[00:46:11] yeah so i can kind of completely relate to

[00:46:13] that as well i think the Italian job is probably

[00:46:15] guilty for sort of engaging people in looking

[00:46:18] to get involved with so many cars in that film

[00:46:20] so it allows aren't there yeah yeah yeah i think

[00:46:23] that's an all-time classic isn't it is up there

[00:46:25] with the best of them yeah but um yeah i enjoyed that um

[00:46:28] the number plate story very interesting yeah obviously the

[00:46:31] chances of that number plate being on screen on the day he went on there

[00:46:34] but um unbelievable yeah i actually thought

[00:46:37] he was going to say a much higher value as to what he paid for it

[00:46:40] yeah yeah um so we don't know how long ago it was i guess but um

[00:46:45] true there is the potential that 1980

[00:46:48] yeah the potential that yeah he paid more than his father sold the car for

[00:46:51] definitely just to get the number plate back

[00:46:54] yeah but um that's how it goes isn't it kind of back in the

[00:46:56] like we were saying to um Sam from Southern cars like

[00:47:00] the mirrors and stuff that her dad was selling back then with

[00:47:03] with nothing yeah but how things change in kind of 10-20

[00:47:07] 30 years time so yeah yeah Russell made a good point actually which i didn't

[00:47:12] really consider in that obviously chopping and changing cars so frequently

[00:47:15] back then hardly unlikely he would have been making

[00:47:18] well much if anything on any of them because

[00:47:21] it's not right today where there's such a premium on those sort of cars

[00:47:24] yeah i think what else we've got now is the international marketplace

[00:47:28] aren't we for those sort of things that if you've got a car that's special

[00:47:32] you can put it on the internet and sell it within 20 minutes

[00:47:36] and the chances of you finding the person who really wants

[00:47:40] that car in that color and that spec with that mileage

[00:47:44] and that history is hugely increased isn't it

[00:47:47] and then you've got the opportunity to put it into auctions be there online or

[00:47:52] kind of physical auction so you've then got to get two people who want that car

[00:47:55] but that car could go for yeah hundreds of thousands over list price if

[00:48:00] numerous people want them or if there's a shortage of them

[00:48:03] exactly yeah i suppose you've got things like someone in the far east

[00:48:07] could uh quite easy say i'll take all three of your cars there thank you

[00:48:11] yeah yeah absolutely but yeah he must have been losing money hand over first

[00:48:14] yeah you kind of think even in the days of just buying a Ford from the garage

[00:48:18] like you'd lose a grand just rolling it off the four-course so

[00:48:21] the hit you must be taking on an astin or a rose rice yeah kind of

[00:48:25] does a better thinking about is it now as a good one as a great back catalog

[00:48:28] yeah yeah and yeah another one that's clearly rubbed off on on rassal

[00:48:33] son yeah clearly he's heavily influenced by that

[00:48:37] some nice stories from kind of him growing up as well

[00:48:40] see living in uh in sort of a property that neighbored his grandparents

[00:48:44] and then his cousins as well yeah playing on sort of a longer drive etc

[00:48:49] you could see a picture of that if there is yeah yeah all right are any in existence

[00:48:53] hmm no really enjoy it so yeah thank you to rassal for joining us

[00:48:57] absolutely okay John i will leave you to it cheers Andy let's um wrap it up roll the credits

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