Mike Brewer from TV Wheeler Dealers: My Dad built custom cars, and even modified his diesel Ford S-Max S7 E3 Recorded at NEC Classic Car Show

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Welcome to My Dad's Car, a podcast discussing our personal relationship with automotive nostalgia. And you know what? It doesn't even have to be about your dad's car. It can be your mum's, your grands, your parents, guardians, or even a neighbour's. If it made an impression, let's talk about it. Here he is, the man, the legend. He'll be joining us very shortly. Yeah. Signing a disclaimer. Yeah. It's because we've got an ejector seat. James Bond ejector seat. Yeah.

Hello, Mike.

John. What's your name? Andy. Andy. John and Andy.

Yes.

Thanks for joining us. Thank you. Pleasure.

Oh, I'm the busiest man here.

But you're pleased to sit down.

It is actually going to be quite nice to get like if I can get 20 minutes just sat on my ass. Please. It will really help. I've been pulled from billet to post since I got here.

We were a bit worried that you were going to take half an hour to get over with all this sort of brewer main.

I was uh you know, I I'm gonna if anyone can hear this, and I'm I know you're streaming it. Uh I apologize to the 10 or 20 people on the way here. Mike, Mike, Mike, can I get a bit? Can I get a shot move my car? Uh and we can't, you know, we have to get here and we have to get back to the stage, and I've got to go and do another presentation uh elsewhere. So I apologize to those people. I don't, I'm never rude. I don't want to be rude, but unfortunately, I'm on somebody else's clock today. Somebody else is paying me to be there, there, there. So I just have to get around the building and I apologize if I blow past people. I really do. That's all right. The root the rumour mail is going to be spinning around in a daily mail or something. You know, there's nothing more disappointing than doing this show, and I've done this show now for 20 years. Uh, there's nothing more disappointing than going home at night and seeing the wonderful comments, and then they'd just be the one comments that say, Yeah, you're all right. Yeah, I tried to say hello to you today, and you blank me. And I go, I'll be I remember, but I didn't mean to, you know, it's not my I did there's no way I meant to do that. Yeah, I just had no choice. You know, I'm being somebody's holding my hand, dragging me through the hall. Uh so I apologise. Well, yeah, thank you very much for joining us. It's a pleasure, Andy.

We start with so you've got a ladybird on your shoulder. Yeah, it's gonna come along. I'll bring those with me. Front row seat.

I have uh I have an infant station of them at my house, unfortunately. I do genuinely.

I was gonna ask you how your grass is actually.

Yeah, my grass. Actually, I've got a company called uh Mulberry Groundscapers. I don't know if we're talking, it's a very middle-aged conversation. So I'm a gardener by training. They are gonna they are gonna come and scarify the lawns, reseed it, and hopefully I'll have a bowling green by next spring. Super. Sounds perfect. I hope so. Shall we talk about cars?

Yeah, let's do it. So for those tuning in, we say for the benefit of the tape, we're joined by Mike Brewer. Probably don't need much more of an introduction. Um, yeah, you've been in this game for quite a long time, been on the television entertaining still, so thank you very much.

Yeah, nearly 30 years of uh TV now. So I think I'll get a courage clock at some point. You know, something something's gonna happen. I know on my 30th year next year, somebody is gonna hand me, I don't know, or kick me out the door one or the other. That's enough. You've done your time there, go. We've changed our mind. Yeah, we've changed our mind. That's alright. I don't mind either.

Um so yeah, we ask people what's your earliest car memory, and then we'll start from there.

But that's a good one. So, earliest car memory, it's gonna sound like I'm making this up as well because you know, car memories can only be triggered by an event that happens. You can't, you know, it has to be something that you remember, and uh, this is a weird one, and it's gonna sound like it's crap, but it's absolutely truth. Um, we were in my family's console going down to um She and S for our holiday, okay, and uh I'm the baby of six, so back then it wasn't no law about you can only have four people in a car of five people. You know, there's my mum and my dad at the front, and there's six kids on the bench seat in the rear. And uh I remember it's a hot day. Uh, we're heading down, and my brother Terry is sitting in the window. I'm the baby, so I'm sort of sitting in the middle. I'm the youngest, probably about three years of age, sitting in the middle between my two sisters, uh, or three sisters, and then um my dad's flat cap blew off his head and it went out of the driver's window and came into the rear window and landed on my brother's head. Rear window boomerang. Now that sounds like it's rubbish, doesn't it? But it genuinely happened. We were going down the motorway and it blew out and come back in. And we were like, uh, you know, that really happened. Also, the other memory of that, again, it's gonna sound like it's but I can't you can't make this stuff up, can you? It's too odd. Um, my brother caught a uh like a stingray on the he was just beach fishing, like it's only he's only 12 or 13 at the time. He's beach fishing, and he caught like a stingray thing by the eyelid, brought it in, and it was hooked in its eyelid. How about that? Two memories from that uh console. When's the last time you spoke about that story as well? Me and my well, my mum passed away last year, and we were trying to get a because we got my mum fortunately had 13 uh grandchildren and and 12 great grandchildren, and we were trying our hardest to uh get my mum to sort of write down memories before she went for the kids. And uh, these are some of the memories that we were speaking about. So I did they they only appeared again last year before she passed, but we got to talk about them. So take us through the concert. What colour was it?

Do you remember?

I think it was black, yeah. Okay, I also believe um, I mean, it's kind of a controversial thing, but um it fell up. My dad had it on axle stands and he was working underneath it, and it rattled off the axle stands and landed on him. And we lived in Brixton in the 1970s, which was a hotbed of uh racism, and it was a uh black chap that came past and literally had Samsonite strength and lifted the car up and slid my dad out and they become best friends. Wow and it sort of broke the my dad was quite a well-known character, it sort of broke the the barrier. Yeah, it broke the divine, it broke the barrier. So, you know, we become uh great friends with all the families that lived on our council estate, and uh and I can remember that time, it was very charming. Fantastic. Do you know what came after the console? Um, yes. So then my dad, uh my dad, he's quite a well-known car customizer. Okay. So there were cars in between, and there'd be a prefect in there and a full pop and things like that. Um, but then uh my dad became well known as a car customizer, got the front cover of a few magazines. Uh now I'm about nine, ten years of age, you know, I'm getting eight, nine, ten years of age. Uh, during my school holidays, the six-week school holidays, I would spend uh in the garage with my dad. I revisited it recently on my show, Born Dealer, uh, and went and relived that moment. It was really emotional to go back and tread through that uh through that same path again. Um, and my dad quite famously did a hot rod for a guy called Mickey Bray, which was called Pimble Wizard, which is a full pop. Uh, and lots of this car community will know that car. Um, and then he famously did a another car, which was a Vauxhall Victor, which was called Some Like It Hot. It was a Marilyn Monroe Tribute car, and they both were headline cars, you know, for uh Hot Rod magazine. And I can remember being around those cars and doing the Chelsea Cruise every last Saturday and every Friday. We'd go and do the Chelsea Cruise last Saturday and every month, not every Friday, uh, we'd go and do the Chelsea Cruise, and they were just wonderful days, you know. I you might think my my dad says I reluctantly dragged you around car shows. Yeah, that's what he says. But when I think back, yes, I probably was a little, I don't want to go, I want to build my skateboard, you know. But now when I think back, all I remember is those days, those good days. Yeah, you know, seeing these amazing cars with their glittery paintwork and chrome wheels and you know, mad concepts like uh there was a huge 300 canopy on a milk float with a V8 engine in the back. Uh, and uh yeah, I got to see all these wacky creations. And uh, as a kid who loved Thunderbirds, uh, you know, this was like seeing Thunderbirds in real life. It was it was quite an amazing time. And I'm very fortunate to have been born at that time and been through that period of time because we we lost it, didn't we? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, was your dad doing that as a business for other people? So was he building the cars for other people or for the city? No, yeah, because he was building cars, he had his own garage. Uh my dad's name's Roger. This is a good one. My dad's name's Roger, and his best mate is Roger, and their business was called Roger Roger. My taxpayer because it was at the back of the Muse in Stretham High Street, and I went there like a month ago on my show Born Dealer, and it's still the same cobbled muse, and the garage is still there, it's now the back of you know some shop. Uh, and uh yeah, I mean they had this business, Roger Roger. I think my dad had a he had another job at the time, he was delivering record sleeves. Uh, this kid wouldn't know, but there's there's these things called records, they were these black vinyl things, not a criminal record, yeah. Not a criminal record, and they used to go in a sleeve like a cardboard sleeve, and um like an Amazon envelope. Like an Amazon, and that's where he that's where he met my mum actually. And uh the uh the sleeves. I went to work at the printers that made the records things, my first job, and uh yeah, my dad used to deliver those around London, and I think he did that at the same time he had the garage as well. Okay, did you have music in the car market? He always had playing, and I still play it and live on it today. Uh a great Birmingham band, Ilo. Ilo was very much always being played in the car. 10TC, uh Queen, uh Supertramp, you know, that's my sort of my period of music growing up was that. I think my mum was more um uh Diana Ross, you know, that was her music. Uh, and me uh by the time I was 14, 15 years of age, I was obsessed with the jam and mod culture. So uh Paul Weller's car's here today. I'm like, I want to buy it. It's the sale going through today, and I'm I'm desperate to buy it. What is it? It's a Mercedes 250, it's beautiful, it's been restored by the Weller family. It was his dad's car and then Paul's car. It's a brilliant 15 grand Mercedes 250 that's guided at 50 grand. Okay. What year is it? It's um 1971. Right, okay. So it's the you know, the sad headlamps, the stand-up headlamps. Uh, but uh yeah, I mean an amazing car. I'd love to own it, but I'm not paying 30 grand premium because Paul Weller signed the dashboard. I love him, but I don't love him that much. Michelle wants a kitchen. That takes preference. Is she here with you today? Uh Michelle's over on the stand. Uh, we are in the corner of hall five. We have been for the last 20 years here because I run the uh the Meet the Experts uh stage. Uh so we're in the corner of hall five. Uh we've got the Wheeler Dealer merchandise shop. My daughter Chloe is there selling our merchandise, and uh, we're always flat out busy over in the corner of hall five because I come off the stage where we get a crowd, you know, like this, we get a lovely audience, and I come off, work my way over to the shop somehow, and then it goes mental at the shop. We sell a load of t-shirts and caps, and then I go back to the stage and it resets and we do it all over again. So uh yeah, the girls work very hard at these shows.

So, um, do you remember kind of memorable journeys? Like where we where were you going? Were you going away on holiday in the cars or like when you lost the hat, for example?

Yeah, we were going down to uh She and S on C, and I do remember um uh journeys, you know, we were an incredibly poor family. I mean, we lived in a council house, a three-bedroom council flat, uh not house in Brixton. Uh, we were incredibly poor, we had no money, but the only thing that we did have was a car, and that was our access to the outside world. Uh, and I I had amazing parents, and I knew that they were poor, you know. Growing up, I could feel they were poor. And you know that when I was a kid from Brixton, I'm wearing my sister's knickers, you know, at the age of 10, and uh, you know, I'm at hand me downs, you know, and that's the way it was. And I knew I was poor, but they used the car at every opportunity to get us away from London and to get us away from that and get us down to the coast. And almost every family picture is us on the beach at Burnham on Sea, or you know, down at Laysdown. Almost every family picture is us doing something every weekend, even if it was miserable and rainy, we would do something.

Do you remember other cars on the neighbourhood kind of belonging to neighbours, or were you the only family with a car?

We were sort of we were the first family in the council estate, I think, or in our block that had a television. Okay. I don't know where my dad got the dodgy television. That was the other job. But my earliest memory, it's a really weird memory, is I remember being in my cot. How about that, for a memory, holding on to the bars and crying. I could see it now, I can see it in my head, and it was the World Cup final in my house. So everyone was screaming and shouting, and I can remember old on the bars terrified crying. So that's my earliest memory memory, uh, because that's always going to stay with you. You know, you've got uh 50 giant people in a flat screaming at something, I don't understand what it is, and I'm terrified shaking like a leaf in a cart. And I remember that the cars on the estate. I do remember the Hillman Minx, I remember a Coma van, I remember as well. In and this is a good memory. I remember I was Fondebirds obsessed as a kid, and I remember in 1970, it must have been 1971, so I would have been seven years of age, obsessed with Fonda Birds, and I was standing on Brixton Hill, and this green car came past, slowly came past in the traffic, and I can remember it's probably my first squeeze a hand moment with my dad going, oh my god, I love you know, I I understand cars. Yeah, I didn't know what it was, I thought it was Thunderbird 2. So Thunderbird 2, the green car comes past, and I'm like, oh, it's Thunderbirds, Thunderbirds, and it wasn't until I grew up I realised I was looking at a green citron Maserati. Yeah, that's what came past, and that could be Thunderbird 2 in my as a seven-year-old. Uh so I went and bought one. Most painful car I've ever owned, but I went and bought one.

Uh, but yes, uh, that was sort of cars that are round I can remember as a kid. I saw in your show, Mike, um, you recently sourced your dad a new car. That's right, isn't it? Yeah, that's Max. Has he always been Ford loyal?

He's had Vauxhall was he was kind of loyal to Vauxhall with the Victors, and yeah, he has a an amazing uh 1961. I could have got that wrong, it might be a 62 tall finned PA Crester, which he's got, uh, which is a lovely car. He takes it out every weekend uh to car shows. I've just walked past one actually, uh, or got dragged past one by Cheryl. Uh, I need to go back and take a picture of it to send to my dad, it looks gorgeous. Uh, so he was a Vauxhall man, uh, and then it was my my dad's quite an old stickler. So I said, Um, my mum was getting on, getting old, and she had a chair. And I said, What you need, dad, is an S MAC. You need something like practical, something low down that you can slide mum into. Uh, the because he had a discovery as well. And I said, You can't lift mum up into a discovery, you have to she has to slide from one to the other, you know. So I said, you know, an S Max is the perfect height. Uh, I'm a full brand ambassador myself, so I know S Macs inside out. I ain't driving one of them. I'm not driving one of them. No, Dad, honestly, they're great. You'll love it. Nah, no, not getting one of them. So I bought him one, right? The first one. This is years ago. Took it down to him, and I remember I took him out of the house, said, I got you a car, Dad, I bought you this, and he went, What's that? I said, That's a full desk matter. I don't want one of them. I said, Dad, honestly, it's not for you, it's for mum. You can fold the seats down, you can put the chair in the back. When you've got the grandkids down, you can fill it up with kids, you can go to the beach for the day. Mum's chair can be in the back. You'll love it, not interested. I said, Come and get in it, and I'll take you around the block. We get in it, he turns the ignition on, he sees the coil light, and he goes, It's a fing oil burner. And I went, Yeah, he went, I've never driven a diesel son. I'm not a deal, you know, I'm not gonna be anyway. He puts it in the gear, he drives less than a mile down the road, he goes, This thing's bloody amazing, like a bloody spaceship. And I went, it is in it. I said, Now put it in second and pull through the gears. And he went, Jesus Christ, oh Christ alright, yeah, yeah. This is right, so that was then a month later. Ready? A month later, an S Max I bought for my mum. He's lowered it, put split rims out. My dad lowered it, split rims, a fake carbon fiber bonnet, fake mirror caps, LED bloody high definition lights at the back uh for braking. Absolutely ruined it, completely ruined it, and I can't say that to him. Bonnet clips on an diesel S Max, put bonnet clips on it. This is a one-on-one. He was driving that around, he wouldn't let it go. He he chipped it, so it had like ridiculous horsepower. Absolutely love it, because he's a car customiser, yeah, right? Absolutely loved it, but thinks he's 18 and he had that vehicle for 10 years, and it was about, I don't know, six months ago. I was down there, I went down to see him because he's been struggling since my mum passed. I went down to see him, and uh, there's that stupid car on the driveway. I said, Dad, it looks flipping, it's embarrassing. And he went, It's uh it's getting tough to go through an MOT now, son. Getting tough. I said, Well, let me sort you out. So I went and bought him another newer. I said, What do you want? And he went, I want an S Max. And I went, Okay, well, I find there's a brilliant uh they got a new auto that's wicked. I said, that's got uh the new shape auto, it's the run-out vehicle with the Vignali, it's got the electric seats, front and rear, dual zone air conditioning. He went, I want a grey manual diesel S Max. I went, no, the auto. He went, no. I said, Well, hold on a minute, you're gonna replace the grey manual diesel S Max with another grey manual diesel S Max. He went, exactly. Now, I don't know if you know, but there's only like five for sale in the UK. They're incredibly rare Smaxes. People hold on to them, they love them, they're such a good car. Uh, but I managed to find one, delivered it down to him, it had the big wheels on it, it's beautiful. Delivered it down to him, one owner from the new, one lady owner from the beautiful car. That was five, four months ago. Give my sister a little 500 at the same time. That was five months ago. Uh, I went down and see my dad two weeks ago. He's lowered it, put split rims on it, carbon fiber fake bonnet. He's absolutely carried it, he's ruined it, and I I don't know what to say. If it makes him happy, it makes him happy. Yeah, yeah. My mum ain't got to get in it anymore. That's the most important thing. Uh, but it makes him happy. So uh yeah, now he loves his S Max and his PA Cresta.

Are there any of your dad's kind of the custom builds still around? Like, is that anything you want to source?

Yes, um, Pimble Wizard is still very much a sought-after uh for show's classic hot rod. I think it's the only hot rod ever that's been plagiarised. So there's about 10 Pimble Wizards. Okay. Uh they're all four pops. Uh, there's about ten of them in the market around, not in the market, in the circuit around, and that's rare. You know, a a custom car is exactly what it says on the tin. It's unique to a person, it's a customised car. Uh, but this one is so famous it just got copied over and over again. Uh, but the the original one, Mickey Bray's one that my dad helped build, uh, that original car is still out there in the circuit. Cool. And have you got any itch to get hold of it? You know what? I I met uh Mickey Bray's family, they've come to these shows and and it's been charming to meet them. Uh that family don't own it anymore, it's been moved on, and I think the person who's got it hides it and holds on to it very carefully. Um, yeah, I mean, if they approach if you're here and they approach me at the show and say, Would you like to buy Pimble Wizard? I'd have a very serious conversation with them. Um but I keep telling you Michelle wants a kitchen for a grey Diesel Smax. For a grey Diesel S Max for me, Dad. But Michelle does want a kitchen. Have you seen my show? I've seen dealer. Yeah, that that house has uh was a school, so it's a commercial kitchen.

I was saying to Andy, we could have you could have put us up probably this week in the middle.

I could have it's got 15 bedrooms. I can't, it's ridiculous. Why we got it? I don't know. I don't like it. I don't like he's staying put still. I I'm selling, Michelle, staying put. So work that one out. We have this argument every day, me and Michelle. I'm selling the house. I've got it on the market, I'm selling the house. She's going, Oh well, you can come and visit me. That's what she says. Come and visit me. Go down to shearness. Go down to sheerness. I just want um, I'm quite happy to go and live in a two-bedroom flat. That's all I need. I don't need any of that nonsense. It's just vulgar. I don't need it. And you get moss in your grass as well. I just I'd rather have cars.

I'd rather have cars. I live in the cars. Can you take us back to your dad's workshop, kind of smells, sights, the sort of thing. Was he only doing custom stuff or would he do running the people with the mills?

Run in the mill cars, yeah, to pay the bills. Uh he would do running the mills car. Um, and yeah, I mean, I remember, you know, when you think of thoughts, they come back and you I love the smell of paint. Like, I remember going to workshops kind of as a kid. Uh yeah, I mean, for me, it was always the smell of um like three and one because my dad had this, he used to say to me all the time as a as a seven, eight year old lad sitting on the floor watching him underneath a car. My dad would say, 'Give him the number ten, son, and I'll pass him a ten, and he'd go, 'Right, put it back in a box, wipe it,' and I would have a wrap. That was soaked in three and one, and I'd have to wipe it with the three and one before it went back in the toolbox. And he always used to tell me that just look after your tool, son, look after your tools. Uh, and he told me that, and I still do it today, I still keep an oily rag nearby, and I always wipe a tool before I put it back. I remember when my granddad died, and we went to my granddad's tool uh in the garden to where my granddad kept the garden tools, and they were they beautiful wooden-handled, lovely trowers and forks, and they were pristine, and every one of them smelt a three-in-one oil. And I know now where my dad gets it from. You know, my dad was told that as a kid, and he passed it on to me. And obviously, despite the fact you sell cars generally, you're pretty handy with the spanners. Uh, yeah, a lot of people think that you know it's fake. Just a pretty face. I'm just a pretty face. I wish I was, uh they think it's fake. Uh, but no, I built um, I probably built a hundred cars, over a hundred cars myself. Uh, I build my own cars in my car collection. I'm a I'm a very well-versed uh mechanic and I can pull anything apart and put it back together, but that's not what the show is. People want to see me running around buying and selling cars and me hand over that task to somebody else. That's not what the show is. Uh, it's rather frustrating because on Wheeler Dealers, um, on this new series of Wheeler Dealers, actually, the World Tour, you see me on the tools a lot more. So I'm diving in and helping out because uh we have a limited time. So you see me on the tools. But on the previous versions of Wheel of Dealers, the workshop was always like the domain of Ed, or it's always the domain of Ant. Elvis is a bit more open to you know letting me get in on the tools, and we put that on screen a bit more.

Given what your dad did for a living, was it always going to be a case of you were gonna follow in his footsteps? Obviously, you're getting oily when you were a kid, that sort of thing.

Uh I'll be honest with you, I know nothing else. Um I sort of was brought up in a car-loving family. I um obsessed over cars as a kid, my library is nothing but car books, and I sort of don't know anything else. You know, I I sort of love Thunderbirds as a kid and cars, that was it. And uh if somebody had said to me, Do you like fashion? No, not really. Do you like, you know, do you like football? Not particularly. You know, I weren't back then, not particularly. It was just cars, it was always cars for me. And I'm gonna say, uh, because I I think Cheryl's saying we have to get back to the other stage. I'm gonna say um cars have given me, I'm 61 now, and cars have given me the most incredible life. I've had the most amazing life. If I went tomorrow, I wouldn't complain one single bit. You know, I've been around the world half a dozen times, bought and sold cars on every continent and the planet. I've met amazing people all over the planet in the car world. I've got to live in California for six years, been immersed in that car culture in California. I get to do this for the last 20 years, you know, come and host these shows. Uh, the cars have given me this incredible life, and I owe a lot to cars. Uh so yeah, I I absolutely don't know anything else, and I bloody love them. Thank you so much, Mike. Really appreciate it. Absolute pleasure. You have a cracking rest of the day.

Wonderful, thank you. Yeah, I guess we uh we wrap this up quickly just by saying thank you very much to Mike Brewer.

Absolutely, yeah. Um we we weren't expecting to get Mike, were we, um, when we were sort of on our making our way up to Birmingham. So um yeah, it's a it was a good result for us to uh a bit of an honour really to have someone of that pedigree in the motoring world to to come on and have a few words with us.

Yeah, definitely. It wasn't confirmed, was it, until the night before? And even then you're sort of you're tentative, you don't want to advertise it and in case obviously, yeah, quite rightly so someone better comes up. So um yeah, we were massively appreciative of that. Some great stories, yeah. Obviously, some historic stuff about like the the hot rods and things his dad built, and potentially some some stuff maybe people haven't heard before, like the hat story going out the window. I wonder whether he has ever told that before, or the fact that his dad's kind of modified not one but two grey S Maxes, yeah, was yeah, it is his dad's car, is obviously not particularly historical, but yeah, just some brilliant, brilliant tales and told with yeah, real charisma and yeah, from the point of view of kind of a car lover, but also from a son as well, who just was sort of wanted to do best for his parents.

Yeah, yeah. I think Mike's enthusiasm for all things cars is always at the same level, isn't it? And yeah, I I was lucky enough that I recently watched his latest show. Okay. What's it called? Born Dealer, it's called. So it basically follows Mike around his car dealership and basically a bit of his life as well, away from the dealership. Yeah. Um, and it yeah, it was a it was a good insight to him and his dad and the four that he had to source for him, which wasn't easy because I think as Mike said in the chat with us, there aren't that many around um of the very specific spec that his dad wanted. So, but yeah, very amusing to hear that his dad continued to follow the uh the form and um fully modify it again, like he did with his previous ones.

Yeah, that's hilarious. That's yeah, very funny. Um, yeah, he he was he was a class actor. I really yeah, I kind of really appreciate his time, and he's done a a lot for the for the show. Yeah, he's been on the TV for 30 years, as he said, and um, yeah, hopefully, as we've kind of experienced with sort of other bigger name guests, it will help us grow as a podcast as well. So um, yeah, hopefully you did enjoy Mike Brewer on my dad's car. And um, yeah, if you did, please tell your friends and yeah, like, subscribe. Um, you can even buy us a coffee if you're feeling that way inclined. So, um yeah, thank you very much. Thank you very much, John. Thanks, Andy. Cool, we'll uh yeah, wrap this one up. Roll the credits.

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