Charles Clegg from Custodian: A Bristol catching fire, Ferrari with a 'back seat' and Range Rovers. S3E6

[00:00:00] Welcome to my Dads Car, enjoy!

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[00:00:26] made an impression, let's talk about it. Hello, how's that? Oh that's better. Lovely. How

[00:00:39] you doing alright Andy? Yeah we're okay. Anything exciting to report? The wife went

[00:00:43] to the gym last night and came back. Oh there's a light that's come on in the car.

[00:00:48] Great, service light. Yeah we've got one at those at the moment. Just getting them

[00:00:52] made for Christmas on there I think. You'll treat the best. Goodness yeah so I took it

[00:00:59] into the garage this morning and spent about an hour there while I had it plugged in. Was

[00:01:05] it a wrong air freshener something like that? Something not that Andy. Yeah a bit

[00:01:09] of tape on the dashboard. Awesome, thank you for joining us Charles. How are you doing?

[00:01:15] Yeah not too bad thanks. It will get us a Friday. Could be us. Indeed. Let me introduce

[00:01:18] you to my friend Jon. Hi Charles. And for the benefit of the tape Charles, click from custodian.

[00:01:24] Great to be here. Thanks for including me. Yeah we've reached out to you. I've been

[00:01:27] following Cardi or journey for a while really kind of I signed up. I think off the back

[00:01:31] of an Instagram thing year or year or two ago and I just thought this is kind of an

[00:01:35] interesting concept tracking kind of vehicles and sort of the history and documents and

[00:01:41] everything. Do you want to give us a quick rundown on what custodians all about? Yeah it's

[00:01:45] really back in 2019. My life of obsession has always been around cars from days of my

[00:01:51] life and weirdly I'm probably third generation with the Amly, Clark guy, my ground form

[00:01:55] of built race cars in 1920s. My dad's race, my bunch of cars last time I've lived and

[00:02:01] breathed this community my whole life and back in 2019 I had a bunch of classic cars

[00:02:05] and I raised a couple of them and I suddenly realised that the more cars you had or if

[00:02:08] you're in so specialist they actually is very difficult to own it. The ownership experience

[00:02:12] was not fun and everyone upon my life has some technology but for car ownership there

[00:02:16] wasn't a technology to help out. So for okay if we can solve some of these ownership

[00:02:21] handpoints with some cool technology and actually help people in the community out then we

[00:02:25] can have a cool business and that was really the foundations of what we're into custodians.

[00:02:28] So yeah we now have over 34,000 users with all sorts of awesome cars ready from the

[00:02:35] Claren F1 to modified MX-5s, Mach 1 goals, not a modern classics. Yeah and the nice thing

[00:02:41] about I'm business that you can use all of tooling completely for free because the way

[00:02:45] we make our money is actually one of the paint points which is insurance. Yeah so

[00:02:49] not only can we get you a good deal on insurance and really fundamentally our solving my

[00:02:55] pains. I'm back in 2019 the invoices were so come in I didn't have a print in my flat

[00:03:01] I never printed them out. I was missing MATs and services to speakers, you know so much

[00:03:06] admin I thought things could be so much better and it's actually causing more stress than

[00:03:09] it was worth and fundamentally this passion for cars it should be able to enjoy them. Not

[00:03:14] stressing about having a misnmAT service or you know having to sort of ensure and that's

[00:03:20] really what we're concerned about. You're caring for these cars making sure that we can

[00:03:24] gauge the next generation of car collector particularly people that are kind of younger

[00:03:28] generations who expect there to be an app expect there to be technology and really sharing

[00:03:32] that passion that we all have with making more accessible to people that don't maybe have

[00:03:38] the network and industry to look off of these cars so yeah that's where it's going to be

[00:03:42] we now actually even more social marketplace so we now have our own shit tooling and we have

[00:03:46] our marketplaces whilst you buy and sell precious cars for our platform and we're just launching

[00:03:50] right now I'm sure to product as well so we're trying to be the holistic ecosystem for car nerds

[00:03:56] like myself fantastic but yeah it sounds like you've got some busy time so ahead of you as

[00:04:00] well so well keep some of the streets and it's fun it's one of things working in a world which

[00:04:06] I love and you know all the people this community a deeply passionate about cars it's just such

[00:04:12] a joy obviously starting any business with scratch when we started building this during COVID

[00:04:17] we launched it back in August 2021 there's always stresses there's always things you're

[00:04:21] pushing to try achieve but when you're doing it in such a passionate community so really enjoy to be honest

[00:04:26] indeed well yeah thank you for the quick rundown and I guess we start with these exactly the same

[00:04:31] really with what's your earliest motoring memory wow that's interesting um I know the story which

[00:04:37] I'm not sure I'm a member of it but my parents always tell it to me so it feels like I'm a member

[00:04:41] of it yeah yeah and that was what's us being pushed down there a road in central London and in

[00:04:46] a pushchow to toddler and I looked over and I bristled 401 pulled up and parked and from my

[00:04:53] pushchow apparently I said so my mother looked money there's a bristled 401 as the guy was getting out

[00:04:59] apparently this guy he very nearly had a horse tag it's like there's a toddler but no

[00:05:03] so I bristled 401 it and you can believe it so I think I nearly I think this guy nearly killed over

[00:05:09] and the reason being is that my mother had a bristled 603 for 20 something years as they're

[00:05:15] everyday kind of London okay and so I kind of growing up I was off in the back seat with her bristled

[00:05:20] 603 before unfortunately it met a rather unpleasant end in that it caught them fire and burnt

[00:05:27] to a crisp oh no in night's bridge actually evacuated two restaurants I think four shops

[00:05:33] free for engines and quite literally went out in a blaze of glory then it went back

[00:05:38] the the funny thing about that story was that well there's not many funny things about

[00:05:42] the story but the funny thing about the story was it just been serviced it should have been

[00:05:47] a good form and it came back and my mother parked outside her shop which hasn't in night's bridge

[00:05:52] and my father had to run into go get something she was in the car she says where father

[00:05:56] always said it's strange it's smoking a little bit he said oh no just burning on a bit

[00:05:59] or what's absolutely fine anyway that little bit of smoke turned into more smoke

[00:06:02] smoke turned into flames those flames turned into ten foot flames and then obviously the

[00:06:07] evacuated the street the farmer gave became and whilst it was on fire the engine weirdly started

[00:06:13] it started itself it must have short circuited or something it was like the car was haunted

[00:06:17] I think one of that actually happened is the the steering fluid reservoir so I can come loose

[00:06:22] it's sprained up a manifold and it went up so that was luckily my mother's out of the car

[00:06:27] so she wasn't part of that in front of me but it was a kind of dramatic end to I think 23 years

[00:06:32] of bristler in ship and yeah that was a first and a last bristler no I actually loved them

[00:06:39] so I'm not a slandering bristler I've been a fantastic wow that's quite something isn't it

[00:06:46] yeah what do you think your sort of earliest recollection maybe that you can actually remember

[00:06:51] because I would be spoken about this before obviously if you flick through sort of family photo albums

[00:06:56] everything you start sort of impregnating your own memory don't you with sort of the photos you see

[00:07:00] and and this sort of a cross line between whether it's that you're sort of memory in your

[00:07:04] head or whether it's you sort of taught yourself that that was your earliest memory well one

[00:07:10] there's definitely like very ingrained in my my psyche is definitely uh it's my father bought new

[00:07:15] a Ferrari free to eat GTS without back in the 80s and and I remember it doesn't really have

[00:07:21] back seats my parents used to sit in the main seats nice to sit behind like a little

[00:07:26] kind of aerophyne of seats we you know you want to suppose to be so a squeeze in there and I

[00:07:29] remember they only had one set which was Paul Simon Graceland amazing and ever set ever since then

[00:07:35] that's been my favorite album I think I must have been you know super super young and that that's just

[00:07:41] even to this day Graceland Paul Simon partly because you know I always remember those times

[00:07:46] as I was like they're how old I was super young bombing along with my parents and I was stuck

[00:07:50] behind the seat on this kind of parcel shelf holding on for dear life it's probably like an

[00:07:55] umbrella shelf isn't it really but I remember a very another memory probably about four or five years old

[00:08:01] in that same car there was wet and we're going around the Oxford ring road my father was going

[00:08:05] quite quickly if I thought I'm not sure how to tell his story publicly but it's doing now

[00:08:08] and he's got a slightly wrong way around about his spun spun it twice and a straight

[00:08:14] end I didn't get the thing absolutely fine and he turned to me thus this was like shock science

[00:08:19] said whatever you do don't tell your mother that was it yeah she never found out but

[00:08:25] she might find out now she's this but then again what colour was the frari did he go for Rossi

[00:08:30] Corsa no it was such a grey which was quite a quiet and quite unusual I'm weird you know I'm a big

[00:08:35] fan of non-red frari's I like you know any corner quirky colour is for me more interesting I

[00:08:42] like greens blues browns the weirder and wacky the colour I think the more interesting

[00:08:48] I think a red frari's a bit cliche me but it's quite bold isn't it if you've saved up kind of

[00:08:54] the amount to buy one there must be such the temper you kind of get to filling out the sheet and

[00:08:59] you're like should I just go for a red plate say could your father had frari's before was that kind

[00:09:03] of a first frari into I think that's the only frari ever had but it's the other colour definitely

[00:09:10] I have a huge amount of memories and the fennelty is all rangeovers like the classic star

[00:09:14] rangeovers okay and there's a kid you know doing all the journeys my family me or happy

[00:09:21] armrests in the back seats yeah and then my five hundred and LSE rangeover remember in the early 90s

[00:09:27] and you're in the back you've not just had the armrests in the middle but you're an armrests in

[00:09:31] and there's like a five rolls it was like being on a fru you had your arm right down

[00:09:36] and the ever since they're like kind of quite few different classic rangeovers and I think again

[00:09:40] it's these early memories which I think really maybe subconsciously going to mind and

[00:09:46] I have this weird obsession with classic rangeovers as a result even though they're pretty unmonatable

[00:09:50] they're a bit of a nightmare to own they brought but I love them I think that's probably

[00:09:55] something to do in those days 30 years ago yeah definitely any particular journeys you recall

[00:10:00] that kind of family holidays or whatever maybe in the rangeover I guess you weren't holidaying

[00:10:04] in the Ferrari ask a question um I just yeah there's endless long journeys in the back of the LSE

[00:10:12] rangeover enjoy them the extra leg room try to figure any specific journeys any cassette in that one

[00:10:17] was it still poor Simon or did they have something else in that one there was I think they also

[00:10:21] have put on the big country was another one which is quite a niche band I remember one against

[00:10:27] that we hadn't the LSE rangeover was going across the bridge in London and we just I think

[00:10:33] it gets probably pretty young at the time and we're going towards the zebra crossing

[00:10:37] and there's a person walking on the the cassette walk and full zebra crossing he looked left

[00:10:42] and just stepped out in the middle of the road they didn't look right too as my father jammed on

[00:10:46] the acres and it had ABS that I can't imagine stop just in time he must have missed him by

[00:10:51] probably an inch this guy and he didn't look at all anyway the car behind us came to the back of

[00:10:57] the back of that the car behind that king of the back of that and because my father had

[00:11:00] the toe bar on this car there's barely a scratch on my father's energy range over the car

[00:11:06] behind us with enough the car behind that was enough I think the car behind that was even written off

[00:11:10] but literally little barely a scratch what had actually happened was the guy that stepped out he was

[00:11:14] from Paris he was French and he was used to cars coming the other side of the road so he looked left

[00:11:19] thinking that they were coming from the left yeah but that's obviously they were coming from the right

[00:11:22] being the UK so he stepped out as the poor guy was apparently apologetic weirdly because of a

[00:11:28] toe bar and this is probably this is a top tip if you live in London bit a toe bar to your car

[00:11:33] because if you have a crash it saves you and it will also be bad parking people can hit the toe

[00:11:38] bar for they hit your bumper so that was definitely another memory of that car probably not

[00:11:44] a good memory but yeah certainly something stuck in my mind that sounds like a complete

[00:11:49] nightmare for the insurance companies to troll through that one yeah so we're turning the

[00:11:54] thing that I'm now launching a Shirt's products maybe to someone who's a team here

[00:12:01] the toe bar is a funny one isn't it because that's the first thing you discard isn't that you

[00:12:05] find a one-on-of-eak and being cherished you know all that toe bar can go we'll tidy that up

[00:12:11] but yeah it could just save it yeah I've always thought on the kudos things if you get a car

[00:12:15] it shouldn't have a toe bar and you fit a toe bar to it and there's a guy who races

[00:12:20] a pre-war vent the and he also has a group sea car and he's fitted a toe bar to a vintage

[00:12:25] vent me and he toes his group sea race I think it's I think it's a Porsche 96 to or or or

[00:12:31] or something like that's a group sea Porsche behind his 1920s vent they oh wow now like how cool is that

[00:12:37] I have to send you I'll send you the photo it's a peak peak cool fantastic so your parents

[00:12:44] choice I guess you you mentioned Range Rover is probably had some sort of influence over the vehicles

[00:12:48] you purchased so definitely so I think yeah I think definitely the classic Range Rover that's

[00:12:54] the horrid massacistic interest of mine now and I do look great though don't I'd

[00:13:01] think the older ones are now looking I've seen a sort of traveling an older one and so I'm

[00:13:06] more done I think they're really good yeah I actually I hadn't ever seen my everyday car for quite a

[00:13:10] few years in fact twice over the last 10 years and I had one quite recently into the point of

[00:13:15] view as so I had an energy again maybe it's sentimental reasons and one of the three

[00:13:20] important you as it was 15 pounds a day I was like I'm not paying 15 pounds a day that's so

[00:13:25] unfortunately I saw that but they are I just like the design they're such a classic design very

[00:13:30] comfortable taking along with the energies and you've got so much legroom in the back it's like being

[00:13:35] kind of you know a sugar driven car on the back and obviously the air suspension was pretty

[00:13:40] temperamental when they go wrong it's quite embarrassing if I was driving back for a good

[00:13:44] or revival one year and my car filled up with stuff and parts like the racing down the

[00:13:48] revival and there's air suspension packed up and it went down to the bump stops and I don't

[00:13:53] know if anyone who got this as an ever driven classic Range Rover with no air suspension but

[00:13:58] literally it makes your teeth full now it is the most uncomfortable thing in the world

[00:14:02] you literally bounce around the place it looks like it's a low rider there's like it's been

[00:14:05] slammed because the wheels are right under the arches it's still driving the whole but this is like

[00:14:10] unbelievable be uncomfortable bone cruncher real bone cruncher so it's funny because when that car

[00:14:18] launched it was real sort of a revolutionary moment wasn't it I guess it wasn't I can't think

[00:14:23] of anything else it was like that trend setter yeah I guess it's 72 when the first Range Rover came out

[00:14:29] is a pretty agricultural thing yeah the really early Range Rover's work yeah this big

[00:14:34] yeah shift it was essentially not far off a land Rover then you look in the late 80s 90s

[00:14:40] and then it kind of upgraded it became a real luxury vehicle you're very comfortable you automatically

[00:14:45] gearbox all the kind of more constant essentially I guess they were competing with the likes

[00:14:51] of Bentley really in the end things like that yeah if you were the you had an affluent

[00:14:56] business model business woman in the early 90s you know you're going to Bentley when you

[00:15:00] are going to go a Range Rover and I guess the whole SUV obsession these days probably is all come

[00:15:06] about from the Range Rover which is kind of interesting the Royals have they were a fan

[00:15:11] might they have the deal of ranges yeah yeah they I think the rumor was they they're

[00:15:16] favorite ranges the L-3 2 2's which actually has Mavenec car which I quite like but again they're

[00:15:23] not known for their mobility but again it's a sophisticated interest fantastic what is it

[00:15:30] your race chart so I have a little awesome healing and awesome healing seabring sprite so especially

[00:15:35] body essentially a front-by sprite and if that's quite a story but my father had the X-Works car

[00:15:41] which in pair in the seabring in 1961 was co-driven by stunning moss and his sister Pat moss

[00:15:48] okay it's seabring and then in a he had that car when I was 17 it came with an original body

[00:15:54] which was put on when it got rolled and the bug ring I think like in 1963 and when it got

[00:16:00] restored that original body got taken off the car when I was 17 I started restoring it with

[00:16:04] the another car with the original body from when it got rolled and the bug ring it took me five years

[00:16:09] to restore it and build it I've still got it now I did it this is school holidays my gap here

[00:16:15] university holidays to be five years in the finished and anyway ever since then I've raised that car

[00:16:19] and then I stayed to kind of tie in the story of starting a Pat moss, Robin sister was back

[00:16:24] probably in 2015 or 16 my sister and I co-drove the same car actually my father's car which is

[00:16:30] the X-Works car at the more uh, Robin sister team you know tying in with Pat and studying

[00:16:36] moss back in in 1961 so there's a little bit of history repeating yourself there but

[00:16:40] I love you know those small engine cars like the sprite well like all parts are quite inexpensive

[00:16:45] it's quite easy to run and actually if you can drive a sprite or something like a sprite fast

[00:16:49] you can drive anything fast and track so I've raised a bunch of other cars you're

[00:16:53] raised from call that the nicest you call that a cobra some pre-war stuff but actually all

[00:17:00] the stuff I've learned is being you hustling an Austin Heady Sprite when MG major something like that

[00:17:05] which is the small engine not a huge amount of power in narrow wheelbase it's always quite twitchy

[00:17:09] you know very narrow power band if you can hustle that around a circuit effectively when you've

[00:17:14] got a big V8 you know the cobra is producing 360 horsepower okay you're going a bit quicker

[00:17:19] but it's you've got power to save the day and if you make a little mistake you can use the power

[00:17:23] guy that whereas a sprite if you make a mistake in a corner you don't carry the speed you're

[00:17:27] paying the price for the rest of the straight I guess so um I think if any of any of

[00:17:32] all this is a you know wanting to getting to start racing I'd been very like privileged to

[00:17:37] have the opportunity to do it I really recommend something like a major MG major or an Austin

[00:17:41] sprite that's a great way of really nice people not create obviously any sort of racing unfortunately

[00:17:46] is right it's pretty expensive not cheap on the day but actually comparatively you can get all

[00:17:51] the parts and you can have a huge amount of fun there's something like that even you might as

[00:17:56] 1293 so you're one point free leader and I've embarrassed quite there's not much more power for

[00:18:03] equipment to keep around the dens just because it's you know so my 600 kilos 120 horsepower

[00:18:09] and um yeah it's not a fun and again it's all around community you know part of the passion around

[00:18:15] racing for me is you're such nice people and actually what I like about it at the circuit it doesn't

[00:18:21] remaster what your background is what your car is you know you all want to try to gather

[00:18:26] it doesn't know if you've got a million pound but getty or a 5,000 pound MG you have that shared

[00:18:31] passion everyone chips in the house out so yeah it's good fun there's that something you've

[00:18:36] done with your father is it racing yeah so I guess I did my race license as well as what's 17

[00:18:42] and for the first few years we used to co-drive in his car whilst I still building my one yeah

[00:18:47] and yeah it's just nice having the in-generation or sand passion and actually having my sister

[00:18:54] also racing and I think wow all three of us co-driver them all again probably back in 2015

[00:18:59] I think it's quite nice to have you know a shed in just with your weird dad yeah and actually his

[00:19:05] father do I never met he he was born in 1888 weirdly and he had my father he was 59 years old which

[00:19:11] again pretty unprecedented back in the day but he worked for Lord Austin so he did the body work

[00:19:16] for Lord the Austin 7s at Race of Brooklyn in the 1920s and um and so you know people like KP

[00:19:22] to erase them in period so there's that you know he's interesting cars you know why don't

[00:19:28] it think he was really big car guy but he worked in the most space pasted by father

[00:19:32] Austin to me and if I hopefully want to have kids hopefully one of them will be interested in cars

[00:19:38] and I can indoctrinate them just passion as well. Pass on the baton yeah absolutely absolutely

[00:19:47] if we're allowed to still drive petrol cars at that point in time who knows maybe we'll be

[00:19:50] stuck in that actually stuff yeah hopefully not you know I'm sure I'm sure if we are

[00:19:56] stuck in electric stuff some more will make some really fun electric cars which I'm truly

[00:20:00] wouldn't necessarily have as a gentleman. Yeah I think there's there's companies going that way

[00:20:04] isn't it kind of Lotus and sort of companies along those sort of lines who are trying to find

[00:20:08] the fun with the electric which it's got that instant power isn't it you've just got a tune it in

[00:20:12] and bolts it onto kind of a dynamic chassis and create something that people want to connect with.

[00:20:17] Yeah I think it's the speed and power because that's always exciting I guess my issue with

[00:20:21] an electric car is the longevity I love the fact that you know I've got a hundred year on

[00:20:26] fox of 1923 and yeah it's still a missional chassis original gearbox, a missional engine

[00:20:32] a missional body it's a hundred years old and I just look at some of these electric cars with

[00:20:36] a battery technology and it's like is this going to be around it's going to work in 20 years time

[00:20:40] 30 years time really very round 50 years time so I'm not 100 years time so I like the idea

[00:20:44] of a long jabbyty of these vehicles instead of them being you know you use them 10 years

[00:20:49] scrap them 10 years scrap them yeah I like the idea of something which lasts a hundred years

[00:20:54] I don't know if you think that's necessarily case with electric cars and what we're going to do

[00:20:57] with these batteries either once the cars are finished there's not just something you can you know

[00:21:02] crush is it it's quite a major recycling job yeah I guess it's my very more for

[00:21:07] beconic ecological benefits of it and I think I personally quite like the idea of hydrogen

[00:21:12] but yeah I think this very easy to get focused on color emissions but actually you've

[00:21:16] been looking at the broader spectrum of what's the environmental impact of electric cars and

[00:21:20] some of the mining that takes place to get me sources led you know I'm not more than sure enough

[00:21:25] to have a a view on this really but I think that people need to look at the holistic long term

[00:21:30] approach you know for instance one of my dreams which I've sure never come around it was it would

[00:21:35] be to set up a car company where it's a modular idea you buy a car from whatever's car

[00:21:41] company's going to be called and we say to you we will make sure you can use this car for 50 years

[00:21:46] spacey you're mostly your kind of life and you know say in five ten years time the technology

[00:21:52] develops and we get a better gearbox technology because it's modular you'll take out the

[00:21:56] or gearbox and your gearbox in or save the styles change some modular body you change the

[00:22:01] style put on different body or say you sign up a family instead of being a two-seater you can

[00:22:05] change the specification to a four-seater your or suspension technology changes gets modular you take

[00:22:10] off the cars but I like you idea a car for your life or car for 50 years we're actually it's more

[00:22:17] like a subscription and it evolves over time as technology changes obviously that's a massive change

[00:22:22] and philosophy compared to the current system where they just try to sell you new you're more

[00:22:27] more new cars they don't have the loss because it doesn't make economic sense in the last

[00:22:32] they want to really good for a certain period of time and then actually become almost to fount

[00:22:37] senior to one of them yeah but I think a true environmental sustainable

[00:22:44] motoring in my opinion is this long term there's long term ownership a long term use of something

[00:22:51] for instance you know there's this a hundred year of books like got you know it's all the manufacturing

[00:22:56] effort has been spread and the environmental impact of that manufacturing has been spread over

[00:23:00] a hundred years yeah so the contribution per year is going to be negligible whereas something which

[00:23:05] has a nice amount of 15 years you know it's condensed into 15 years again obviously big companies

[00:23:11] don't think that that is more so more cars so now we've never really happened if he was listening

[00:23:15] to this and what's going to do it you can have might you can still wear a dear don't do to make

[00:23:18] make the world a better place to majoring what's the story with the voxel what made you get into a vehicle

[00:23:23] that we've kind of spoken to people before about the concerns of sort of I guess people of our

[00:23:27] generation maybe not being influenced by vehicles so old because yeah generally speaking we've only

[00:23:34] ever seen one a vintage car rally or a buly or something like that so what made you get into a vehicle

[00:23:40] like that we're the older I get and more and like these weird niches and I think it's one of

[00:23:46] those things where I had a few friends that had some pre-war cars and I ended up getting a ball

[00:23:51] with a vintage sports car club which is like you know this is a club for pre-war stuff and

[00:23:56] I suddenly realized actually driving around a hundred year old car even though you know

[00:24:01] some of my friends say why not people there's hundred year old car it's not so slow so boring

[00:24:05] I can tell you driving something like that where every gear chain to get right don't

[00:24:09] cross the gear box is like a massive achievement yeah it's got no fun wheel brakes so

[00:24:13] you've got real wheel brakes it's got like a it's got a transmission brakes I don't usually

[00:24:17] wear out the transmission so I basically use the handbrake to slow down and when you're driving

[00:24:21] that 50 miles per hour it feels like you're doing 150 because if someone breaks a funnel you

[00:24:26] can hit the back of them you constantly have to think and I think for me the enjoyment of any

[00:24:34] car is if you're using your brain you're really engaging with it speed is so secondary to

[00:24:39] are you getting the most out of that vehicle and style I love pre-war stuff I love the variety

[00:24:44] of it I like the engineering I like the when you look at something it's not working and like

[00:24:49] okay you can kind of work out what's broken results in modern cars with all your metrics

[00:24:54] it's like it's wrong you've got no chance of guessing that's wrong I'm going to plug into

[00:24:58] yeah the computer system there says there's some part here and that so I just think that

[00:25:03] speed at which cars developed in the pre-war era is kind of fascinating you think

[00:25:09] from horse and carriage to some of those veteran cars where they almost have like a

[00:25:14] tailor like a boat yeah and you would look at the London right and run and then suddenly

[00:25:18] in front of my box which is 1923 you know the pedals and the same position accelerated brake

[00:25:23] clutch yeah the gear stick is inverse you've got first second third fourth going from right to left

[00:25:29] not left to right it's got a ham brake and that happened on not a huge amount of time from

[00:25:34] literally tillers to what we still used today in that end the 1920s late you know they teens 20s

[00:25:41] so I'm also the often a lot about pre-war stuff there's some unbelievable big century people

[00:25:47] that hang out in that world I think the more eccentric the owner of a car the more interesting they

[00:25:53] took me on so yeah 1923 is the only stuff coming today I don't know if I'll ever get into

[00:26:01] the veteran when you're doing about the five-master app owners yeah maybe you can speak to

[00:26:05] being a fierce time on be going six-master app in some really old slow thing I'm hoping to smile

[00:26:11] my face when did fox or launch is that one of their earliest sort of vehicles from fox or

[00:26:16] yeah they did the Prince Henry was even the early in that I think they were I want to say like

[00:26:22] 19 I think they're even we 1908 is in my head but I don't know whether I think they're even

[00:26:29] Northern I think they were they're actually round and then they're 18 hundreds but I think some

[00:26:36] of them really only cast some even the most one known one in the pre-war era as the 1398s

[00:26:40] which was 1857 apparently there we go fox or motors found in 1857 yeah you could go way back then

[00:26:49] Charles yeah yeah I might have said there's plenty of this plenty of you so yeah

[00:26:54] our first car rolled off the production line 1903 so maybe they were doing some maybe horse and

[00:27:00] carts or something before it's amazing actually in that era in the sort of turn the century

[00:27:05] the number of car manufacturers that were there Northern what you do don't exist

[00:27:09] thing but all quite a few stuff I guess Northern came out of the carriage makers

[00:27:13] yeah and then they make it other stuff and then they suddenly realise there's an opportunity

[00:27:16] in came into cars the whole idea of your sort of modular things sort of harks back to like

[00:27:21] coach builders doesn't it in a way where you have a chassis and then you take it to the coach builder

[00:27:26] and they build you a sports saloon or a coat or a cabaret or a roadster or whatever

[00:27:32] and I guess you've seen a little bit of that with sort of the platform type things for electric cars

[00:27:36] and things but yeah it does go back to that kind of coach building era yeah now I actually think

[00:27:40] the other really interesting point about that concept is if you look at the cars that maintain

[00:27:44] their value long term so for instance land driven defenders you know you're a not your

[00:27:49] 40 year old 50 year old land driven vendor you're still quite a valuable car because it's easy to

[00:27:54] maintain yeah whereas if you've got something super complicated and the overhead of actually running

[00:28:00] becomes you know so detrimental to the value of the car it becomes unpractical so actually there's

[00:28:05] a lot to be said in my opinion for it's like modular but also simple not overly engineered

[00:28:10] I think electric is a big ticking time bond for more these modern cars because you know it's

[00:28:15] like your phones or your iPods you know they work great for a few years but then are they going

[00:28:20] to work in 20 years time or even if they do work the speed would have been massively decrease and

[00:28:25] yeah if you've got I don't want to pick a kind of brand but you can go to electric car now

[00:28:28] in 30 years time if some ECU starts packing up and there's some electrical bremlands

[00:28:34] how are you going to repair that practically it's going to be a better challenge so I think

[00:28:37] there's obviously a new super modern technology of engineering trying to limit the actual

[00:28:43] electrics so something which has longevity make it easy to maintain and run over a long period

[00:28:48] of time and actually you'll save a lot of depreciation yeah you know there'll be a second

[00:28:52] how market for those vehicles so yeah I think you know Land Rover defenders are a great

[00:28:56] case in point where it's easy to upgrade easy to run five us recently bought a a 1982

[00:29:03] literally free I'm gonna use Land Rover defender when we're really only one so it

[00:29:07] accounted for me with V8 and it's just so basic and I'm looking at I don't freak out I think

[00:29:12] this thing is going to break and cost me a fortune because it's just so to rudimentary

[00:29:16] I love that I think that's a lot to be said for that I think we're in a sort of period now

[00:29:19] and we were as an end user in a bar of a new car let's have electric say it's a real sort of

[00:29:25] unknown isn't there in terms of what the future holds for that ownership I've the lucky

[00:29:30] side charge in next 10 20 years if you intend to keep it that long it's all a little bit sort

[00:29:34] of clouded isn't it I mean like I say in terms of a battery and stuff like that you know

[00:29:39] what happens with that over time is it going to degrade quickly what happens to it when it

[00:29:44] completely fails and where do you take it so just a bit when I'm known I think yeah

[00:29:49] though I think I actually put classic car movement the car community more and more generally

[00:29:55] I think as these cars become more like white goods the passion for the older stuff and

[00:30:00] more quirky stuff I think won't grow because it'll end up being this experience which you can't

[00:30:07] get with a modern a modern car yeah I love all the stuff which is up to about the 90s where it

[00:30:11] didn't become all about the electric some computer systems it's all quite analog I love the

[00:30:16] analog stuff probably looks like an F40 some of that but still analog frills yeah I think you

[00:30:22] obviously see the sort of the lifespan of a vehicle and they depreciate to appreciate and then

[00:30:26] they obviously get to that dip and then they can start coming up the other side and with the modern

[00:30:30] cars is there enough charm to kind of bring them out the other side I've got a portion I'm

[00:30:34] for four for argument saying when they were a thousand pounds at least potentially you could have

[00:30:38] spanidate yourself rather than spaying 500 pounds at the garage to get something fixed whereas

[00:30:42] now actually if you've got maybe even like an Audi TT for example buy one for a thousand pounds but

[00:30:47] you've got to have the computer to plug it in to get it fixed otherwise you're in for a

[00:30:51] thousand pound bill of Audi and what's the point yeah have they got enough charm just to sort

[00:30:55] of get them out of that dip yeah so then obviously carry them back up into sort of the classic

[00:31:01] status and let their value go up and especially with the electric cars potentially not and with

[00:31:06] a lot of other vehicles potentially not yeah and I think it's really interesting point

[00:31:10] I think I personally I love bio-claw which has had a horrendous depreciation there's

[00:31:15] flattening out and you know they're asking me out some kind of the other day something you

[00:31:19] don't like 20,000 miles and a person putting you just taking root for the depreciation it was like

[00:31:25] 30% of the value and that's exactly what I want to buy because some poor person there's taken

[00:31:32] 70% of the depreciation I can now enjoy it not thin guilty that every mile I'm chucking like

[00:31:37] 10 pounds out of the window for some depreciation and actually at 20,000 miles it's still

[00:31:42] miles especially in Newcast so yeah I guess obviously but the custodian platform and the marketplace

[00:31:49] are you privy to things which come in and you're like sort of have a flip through that and you're like

[00:31:52] actually maybe I maybe I won't put that one life I might just give that chapter call myself

[00:31:59] yes of course we work with just with partner dealers okay so we have 30 eight I think and every

[00:32:04] week is growing partner dealers so we have super dealers, classic art dealers all sorts of

[00:32:09] other dealers in the future we're opening up to achieve our users where they can sell

[00:32:14] direct to each other okay yeah um there's something we want to do I think that the initial

[00:32:18] stages will make sure that we could have set the vibe of the marketplace and we'd got initial

[00:32:23] traction but yeah everyday I'm definitely guilty or said every couple of days just peaking

[00:32:27] me and what's coming the market this week it's one of things like even though I definitely don't

[00:32:31] have capacity or the fun is to buy on you toy I can't help myself it's that like uh so that

[00:32:36] looks quite nice then you start reading the history see if your photos are like you're clicking

[00:32:40] the button to enquire like no no no no no I do not want to be buying uh just gonna get me a trouble

[00:32:47] but it's at least it's a it's a bit of an addiction these all cars I think I think the more you get

[00:32:51] into it the more you realise how much you have an experience and you want to experience so

[00:32:57] it's never own next time I think that's why I've gone to these radio cars the pre-war stuff

[00:33:01] it's like I did the 60s cars and 50s cars I was like what else is there still I was like

[00:33:05] I'm 19 20s and 30s that's a whole new world and then I'm looking at these veteran cars

[00:33:11] doing London quite I'm like that's quite fun um yeah yeah the one bit I haven't gone to which

[00:33:16] my rerun of this is like the more they were kind of modified modern classics I think there's some

[00:33:20] really cool stuff going around and that's in yeah and actually some sort of amazing people doing

[00:33:25] amazing work and a really vibrant community built around it so I'm definitely more on the crusty side

[00:33:30] unfortunately of the car passion um I need to yeah quite it's gonna be just like caffeine machine

[00:33:36] and they say that they've got a real community around some of these different sub communities

[00:33:41] yeah yeah definitely yeah I think they're doing great work and there has been

[00:33:46] that growth of the sort of the community and the destination as it was kind of headed up by yeah

[00:33:50] places like caffeine and machine and good with us but I really just bring everyone together

[00:33:54] and shining a light on I guess yeah the more unusual or the older stuff yeah I think that

[00:33:59] nothing like fun amazing we had to stand at the any sea class it made sure with custodian

[00:34:03] a few weeks ago and you walk around some of the car club stands and there's this your car club

[00:34:08] for the wackiest like niche things and there they've got two cars and display you know I

[00:34:13] don't know how I mean members they they feel like 50 members I'm like where it is but it is amazing

[00:34:17] how these essentially lumps of metal can bring people together and I think there's a lot to be

[00:34:23] sent for that in the community but I just hope that you know of a generations still have

[00:34:29] that community around cars I worry that if the cost comes you're purely functional electric

[00:34:36] entities take you've made to be it's very hard get passionate about that and you don't build

[00:34:41] those communities those ecosystems really of passionate people but going on adventures road trips

[00:34:49] share that knowledge share their expertise share that passion with like minded people yeah

[00:34:54] I'm sure it happened I'm sure there's always gonna be a physias

[00:34:58] whatever type of car that's being manufactured is but it is yeah it is amazing

[00:35:03] the space we're lucky we'd even know each where you know these different little tribes for

[00:35:07] certain cars or it iris can get off the ground a bit easier nowadays what with all the social

[00:35:12] media platforms always before and what I've just been you know like a sort of niche magazine right

[00:35:16] in WH Smith and that's about what you could go on yeah I guess that's a beauty of intellect and

[00:35:21] there's no end to the long-town of passion there will be someone in the world that probably shares

[00:35:27] your passion whatever it is yeah yeah I think it's a case of you're finding those people finding

[00:35:32] your tribe or your community where she want to fit into and I get that's one of the things

[00:35:38] that we're looking to do with custodian in the future is opening up a social element to it where

[00:35:43] if you are and they're master MX-5 oh no and you want to join the community we can build some

[00:35:48] tooling where you can meet other people with similar costs you can go to events together

[00:35:53] you can share the knowledge and expertise you want one of the things that I often get is that

[00:35:57] friends of mine bring me up and they're like oh HRZ I've just made a bit of money with my job

[00:36:02] thinking about buying a classic car or do I buy a can more than performance car and they're like

[00:36:07] well you know if I bought a e-type jaguar is it going to break down the whole time like where do I

[00:36:11] have it maintained it's very hard he don't have that existing network to know how to look after these

[00:36:17] vehicles it's a hard ownership experience that's exactly what we're trying to achieve because

[00:36:21] stodian we're trying to make it more accessible to people that don't have that existing network

[00:36:25] and you know friends in that situation in the future we want to do tooling where you can put

[00:36:30] in jaguar e-type you can see all the other owners that have jaguar e-types in our community

[00:36:34] you can then look which service providers they use if they're willing to share information

[00:36:38] and you can then get that really deep insight to actually who the right service providers,

[00:36:43] who the best peep in the industry to help you with that ownership experience so that's our

[00:36:47] long return vision we want to essentially capture all this collective knowledge and expertise

[00:36:54] and people's heads right now into a digital format so it can be looked after and I think there's

[00:36:58] actually a real obligation for people like myself and probably you guys as well to actually

[00:37:04] try and document some of this knowledge that we have because if we don't do that in 2050

[00:37:10] hundred years time how many people can be able to rebuild the gearbox of the engine on my

[00:37:15] hundred year of oxen probably no one is to be a nightmare and it'll just mean that some of these

[00:37:20] niche cars maybe even that niche cars become very difficult to look after so I think

[00:37:25] if you truly care for the community you truly care about the continuity of this passion to

[00:37:30] future generations I do think there needs to be some digitalisation process of all the abstract

[00:37:37] knowledge and expertise in people's heads into digital format and that's one of the the

[00:37:41] long term aspirations and my passion ready for custodian is you know how can we make this future

[00:37:48] so that you know people can still enjoy these hundred hundred twenty fifty one of the ages cars

[00:37:54] for you know my kids my grandkids my great grandkids for for many generations to come

[00:38:00] because it is an important part of human heritage on the mentally.

[00:38:04] To Central Hub is interesting actually I was chatting to a chap I worked with I work for a

[00:38:08] parts supply for Volkswagen portion and drove a part but it's an idea we've thrown around

[00:38:14] kind of we throw a lot of ideas around the marketing department but we kind of came up with

[00:38:18] this sort of concept a bit like a Facebook for cars and obviously connecting these things and

[00:38:22] this is sort of the nearest which is kind of ever we've not really got the skills in how

[00:38:26] to sort of do that it's very easy to go out about a Facebook for cars but that's sort of what

[00:38:31] custodians kind of touching on really. Yeah it's interesting when we first come out my idea we

[00:38:36] think about doing a more social platform that like a Facebook because and what we realise as well

[00:38:40] is that for us it's all about trust you know we make money through insurance for example but

[00:38:46] it's all about trusting us to look after quite sensitive information about your car and so on

[00:38:51] yeah and social media platforms I think there's a very negative connotation around them we never

[00:38:55] want to sell your data anyway we want to be a data should be your data you should want to be

[00:38:58] one of them it shouldn't be a third part of these data to sell on so that's why we didn't

[00:39:03] do the social elements initially but in a future account but what we do have which is quite cool

[00:39:07] is that we can transfer your car to a new owner from our platform so say you have your 944 Porsche

[00:39:13] on our platform and you've been very diligent you've got the invoices you're going to

[00:39:17] you photograph it or you'd be a caffeine machine you've documented or seen that and when you

[00:39:21] come to sell the car you can then do a digital transfer of that vehicle to new owner yeah and what's

[00:39:26] nice about that is that digital provenance of the vehicle is continued to the next own its stays with

[00:39:31] the car and you recall it in digital hospital for physical asset is the idea it's one of the

[00:39:36] things where if your house burns down when you get your unnapsighting happens and you lose the

[00:39:40] physical history file you've still got a digital backup digital possible through custodian

[00:39:46] certainly if people do put the effort into keeping digital documentation in the platform

[00:39:52] and you then buy the car they're much more likely to carry on the documentation and as you know

[00:39:57] there's a big difference between someone that's really careful at car kept the documentation

[00:40:00] in the order and you can diligent and said if you're looking to buy a first car that hasn't

[00:40:05] got documentation you don't know what's been done okay they might say that it had its search every

[00:40:09] year and they've done everything but unless you can see it it's obviously there'd be a question mark

[00:40:14] and actually a nice thing about what we're doing is that you can be in a different country you

[00:40:18] don't have to see the car you can request to see your digital documentation yeah in the

[00:40:22] comfort of your own home when you're a phone on your desktop or tablet you can look through all

[00:40:27] the invoices have been uploaded you can say you know what this is really being cared for

[00:40:30] the guys are good custodian and actually it's worth me driving the four hours again see that car

[00:40:36] and potentially buy it so we're just trying to bring that level of transparency to the market

[00:40:40] which at the moment can be quite on the transparent you know it's quite a big you know to

[00:40:46] to understand what's a good car and what's a bad car you know particularly when you look at

[00:40:50] all to trade and some of the odd platforms you know the photos can look great but has it been

[00:40:54] properly looked after and I think that's you know on their miss custodian replatform for

[00:40:59] custodians of their car I think you know people that do really care about them and look

[00:41:03] off and really well they deserve to be rewarded with better insurance is which you can more

[00:41:08] competitive insurance watch we're looking to do but also you have a higher the cheaper high

[00:41:13] of age they can't become the seller and at the moment it's quite hard to distinguish between

[00:41:17] a good custodian a bag of custodian just on simple listings on a market place we can provide

[00:41:22] that level of transparency yeah is it a platform kind of spinning this bank to what we do

[00:41:27] that someone could go on and search for registrations and things like my uncle for example

[00:41:31] has got a list of all of his parents' registrations numbers for all like Morris Minus and things

[00:41:36] is that something someone can search on your database? No so again all the days you add into

[00:41:41] the platform is completely private unless you want to share it. Yeah so you're very data

[00:41:47] security driven so non-alibial data is visible to any external party unless you want to

[00:41:52] do a practice of your share it because someone so not in the moment I think in the future

[00:41:58] it'd be more around what's the model that you have and then finding other people that own a

[00:42:03] similar model you can then learn from their experiences and who they have their cars so as

[00:42:08] bike you're not a database where you can look up registration numbers I think that there are

[00:42:11] my platforms that will do you're something similar? Yeah think that'd be a really handy function

[00:42:16] like you say to have that sort of bank of people at the same vehicle because at that moment

[00:42:21] if you've got an issue of your car you go on to like a forum don't you have something and

[00:42:25] that's sort of sifting through and then you might see sort of two or three different explanations

[00:42:30] for the issue might be suffering with so you don't really know what's what do you say? Yeah absolutely

[00:42:35] that's a really good point because often with these forums it's not necessarily the most

[00:42:40] knowledgeable person and it gives the most of it's often the person as the most time

[00:42:44] or is the most active against the most sway? Yeah whereas what we're looking to do is that say you

[00:42:49] bought a Jagrex going 20 as an example and you've never owned one for you and you don't

[00:42:54] know anything about it. You're the best way of knowing where to look after it is if you then go on to

[00:42:58] custodian you can see there's 10 of a Jagrex going 20 owners you can then see all the

[00:43:04] companies they've used and actually maybe there's the functionality where they're willing to

[00:43:08] speak to you to give you advice that is the best way in my opinion to know how to look after a car

[00:43:13] yeah if I buy in your car and I've got friends how long has 20 years the first

[00:43:17] cool onion maker is to him saying hey buddy you know how am I going to look off this thing like

[00:43:21] who do you recommend service wise and actually I've been interesting thing about service

[00:43:25] drivers is often the cop is that advertise the most so you're going to give when you put in

[00:43:29] Jagrex which whenever it's I've never done this but the company's probably come up first

[00:43:33] aren't necessarily the best ones because the best service drivers are so busy they don't need to

[00:43:37] market because they've got so much work anyway and that's where that word of mouth element

[00:43:41] becomes so valuable and actually if we can digitalize that word of mouth network effects

[00:43:48] into a platform I think it will make it incredibly valuable for owners looking to look after

[00:43:54] these cars long term so yeah again that's again so we're working on them we'll be

[00:44:00] launching some sort of tooling next year in 2020 for yeah it sounds really exciting I'm kind

[00:44:05] of an ideas person obviously I think you are as well and the fact that you've got the capability

[00:44:09] to turn these ideas into reality is it's pretty exciting really like you've got the guys there

[00:44:14] who you can go what if we do this and they go yeah I probably not that quickly but then

[00:44:18] then there it is now why are the teffi content credit the engineering teams are Jeremy the

[00:44:23] ton in my two career founders they're the tech brains and we're going to be using the engineering

[00:44:26] team I would say is because I'm a career founder but I think they are genuinely world class

[00:44:31] and it's very exciting where I come up with some idea where there's obviously so cool to help

[00:44:35] we own a ship and they go oh yeah we can build that in like two weeks I'm like wow

[00:44:39] so it's pretty exciting actually the other thing you're for your listeners is that we have

[00:44:43] something on a platform where you can suggest things you want us to build so if you go into a

[00:44:47] platform you go up in the upcoming section you click a button it goes into your suggestions

[00:44:52] I think we've had about 140 suggestions by our users someone which is super good you can

[00:44:58] vote them some of them are pretty niche some of them are actually really helpful so you

[00:45:03] want the ones that's been really upvoted is the idea that you put all the digital information

[00:45:08] about your vehicle or your invoices documentation so on and you can click a button and

[00:45:12] choose the PDF essentially like a book about your car nice and that's something we want to

[00:45:17] do in the future with yeah something like that and then there's quite a lot of flying cars

[00:45:21] language parts you've got all much of a heart you don't have gone you're almost turning into a

[00:45:25] a computer game but for actual fiscal assets but no if any of you are listeners have some

[00:45:32] ideas you know we were definitely welcome them and we we really engage with them and

[00:45:36] it's just a case of time but yeah we love any sort of suggestions you know we're all ideas people

[00:45:41] we yes people subject to anytime and you know if it fits in what we catch your chief

[00:45:46] I think that's important we found with the podcast that the more you include your community in

[00:45:50] the journey the more you kind of get that that sort of buying and support on all the rest

[00:45:55] and people do feel like they're coming on that with you and they've got a small sort of say in

[00:45:59] that sort of thing so yeah that and it is all about having fun so absolutely I've such a

[00:46:04] such a cliche term but it's that whole thing about like being an enthusiast building for a

[00:46:09] enthusiast it's so cliche but I think if you are genuinely having people and you genuinely care

[00:46:14] about what you're doing I think it does hopefully come across in the way we've engaged with people

[00:46:21] yeah we love any suggestions wonderful also critical suggestions if you're like oh this is a

[00:46:25] all-ending and you should do X1 as anyway I feel we engage with that we would yeah if you're like

[00:46:30] why would I use this funky yeah we love any any feedback you're all bad and test it I think that's a

[00:46:35] great place to wrap it up thank you very much for joining us because it's been yeah it's been a real

[00:46:40] pleasure really join it thanks so much Andy and John thanks Charles here we go that's good

[00:46:45] wasn't it yeah and obviously we not had anyone sort of particularly from that background and

[00:46:51] yeah an interesting story it's an interesting kind of app and concept and yeah he's got some nice

[00:46:55] tales as well some cool stuff yeah it's interesting to get the it's not for the first time

[00:47:00] the sort of take on where cars are going with the modern route obviously someone that's a

[00:47:06] lover of the the oldest style stuff it's interesting the bit when Charles mentioned everything

[00:47:11] he kind of likes in his voice or is what people don't look for nowadays in terms of you have to

[00:47:17] think about everything whereas nowadays the modern stuff you jump in you don't have to think

[00:47:22] about anything it's just literally about the speed of getting from eight to three isn't it really yeah

[00:47:26] someone wants a car with an apple badge on it it's basically it isn't it yeah could be on the

[00:47:30] something there and yeah you just plug it in at night jumping it and yeah job done and then you can't

[00:47:37] charge it because the socket breaks on something like that but yeah you have to have the specific apple

[00:47:42] socket obviously you need to get the pad you just rest the car on it and it charges it up playing it

[00:47:50] yeah absolutely but now I'm really nice and then the screen breaks exactly you have to take it to

[00:47:56] a sort of a little heart in between two shops in the highest street and a man fixes it for too many

[00:48:01] queen yeah miraculously it's sorted yeah but now I was going to say I think we both agree that

[00:48:09] if any of our listeners haven't already checked out the custodian app it's really good I definitely

[00:48:13] think it must be a huge benefit if you're sending a car yeah definitely you've got it all sort

[00:48:18] of readily available to view via a link can pass out of someone that's obviously not a fraud then

[00:48:24] yeah what's not to like I think if you go into the effort of doing that that does kind of show

[00:48:28] your a certain type of person isn't it that's I guess the equivalent I've had friends with

[00:48:33] or cars and like the previous owners recorded every mileage for every petrol fill up

[00:48:38] and that's probably a little bit extreme but all the police yeah but check yourself but um

[00:48:46] yeah if you go into the effort of uploading your details on to kind of an app yeah such as custodian

[00:48:51] I think that's the only one that does it then you are get your a certain kind of type of owner who has

[00:48:56] been diligent and has looked after it and has bothered to kind of preserve that history

[00:49:00] yeah all the future owner which can then be passed on which is yeah you're very clever it could

[00:49:04] definitely be the difference between someone that lives like Charles mentioned four hours away from

[00:49:09] a car that they've seen on landfurt it could be the difference between them going to make that

[00:49:13] journey and not really couldn't yeah here go and if we go back to the parents cars which

[00:49:19] obviously we did touch on those and we sort of got sidetracked on the wonders of custodian really

[00:49:23] but some traveling in the back of the friday and the range over yeah and the range over and then

[00:49:29] the Bristol which sort of exploded outside the shop yeah that's quite a story isn't it quite

[00:49:36] sad to be honest the sad demise of a lovely Bristol yeah especially yeah 20 years of so in

[00:49:41] the family and then that happened and then yeah I guess racing at Le Mans with his sister who is further

[00:49:46] wow that's um yeah obviously not everyone gets to do that but that's um that's pretty cool isn't it

[00:49:51] definitely another um strongly influenced sort of petrolhead fill isn't there going back

[00:49:57] of sea generations yeah top of the generations but definitely really good really enjoyable yeah

[00:50:03] fantastic we'll leave it there thank you very much John many thanks roll the credits

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